State Rep. Candidate Says Opponent Flipped off Debate Audience
Incumbent George Ross says he was making a dismissive hand motion and not an obscene gesture.
Democratic challenger Paul Heroux has accused Republican state Rep. George Ross of giving the audience the infamous one-finger salute at the debate between the two men Thursday at Attleboro High School. Ross said this did not happen.
Heroux issued a statement to the media during the weekend saying Ross, who represents the 2nd Bristol District (including most of Attleboro), should issue an apology to every resident. This is not the first demand for an apology by a candidate in this race. Ross demanded Heroux apologize to veterans during the debate for his statement in a Patch article that he had not voted from 2004 to 2008 because no race piqued his interest. This comment led to some boos from the Heroux friendly audience, and then the gesture that Heroux has accused Ross of making.
"The state rep. works for the people, not just the people who like him," wrote Heroux in a press release. "When lecturing me on respect, Rep. Ross showed contempt and an utter and complete lack of respect to every citizen throughout Attleboro that he represents by making an obscene gesture to citizens all over Attleboro on live TV. Ross' behavior was completely unbecoming of any elected official."
Ross said in an interview Sunday night that he did make a gesture, but it wasn't obscene. He said he made a "dismissive hand motion" motivated by his "passion against the disrespect shown to the veterans."
"I did not do what my opponent has accused me of, nor would I ever do anything like that," Ross said.
The debate video made by DoubleACS that can be found here shows Ross moving his hand at the 35:48 mark, but it is unclear if he raises the middle finger. Heroux sent Patch a slow-motion video and still frames that he says make it more clear what Ross did. Patch has chosen not to post the video and photos since they were provided by a candidate in this race.
Daniel F. Devine
11:55 am on Monday, October 29, 2012
No apology needed for this Veteran from you Mr. Heroux, but I would enjoy another debate, I could use another good laugh. (We still have 2 weeks) ~ * I didn't appreciate Mr. Ross' brashness & his "Larry Glick Salute", he should issue an apology!
Brian Hutchinson
12:03 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx-wJik6eC8&feature=plcp
Play by Play way to Go Ross. Lund care to explain??
deb of see-attleboro
12:22 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
Sure glad I don't have a dog in this fight!
Bill Bowles
12:24 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
Jonathan,
Not that this issue is central to the campaign, but why is a video submitted by a candidate to demonstrate a point any different than an email or piece of campaign literature?
Jonathan Friedman
12:52 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
Paul did not submit a straight-up video. He submitted still frames and a video that was in slow-motion. I am not accusing Paul of altering the video and images in his favor, but I have no idea if he did. It would be inappropriate for me to use these materials, especially when they are coming from somebody who is a large interest in the outcome of this campaign.
Noreaster
12:27 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
I feel sorry for all my republican friends. Mr Ross needs to resign his seat and withdraw from the race. There is no excuse for his behavior.
Mac
12:44 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
Now who is the "flippant and irresponsible" candidate in this race?? (Emphasis on FLIPPANT!)
Bear Cat
1:04 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
I have watched the video multiple times and it is quite obvious that Mr Ross did make an obscene gesture to the audience. You now need to do the honorable thing and step down as State Rep. You are a disgrace to this community, to your Republican party and most of all to the Veterans that honorably served this country. Any Republican that associates themselves with you should also be looking at losing an election as well. Mr Ross, you owe the Veterans of this country a heartfelt apology and after you do that, you need to immediately resign your seat and go away in shame.
Gretchen Robinson
6:18 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
that's gross!! Seems Mr. Ross has no class and no respect for voters.
Bear Cat
1:12 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
Johnathan Friedman
You were at the debate and filmed this as well. Paul Heroux did not alter the video at all. Watch your own film and you will see.
Brian Hutchinson
11:54 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
I saw this from the original video and thought that was strange did he just? And then the article in the Patch. when i searched You Tube for the Debate again it was on Youtube so i shared it.
Wayne Lacroix
7:23 am on Tuesday, October 30, 2012
I think that Rep. Ross is a very passionate person. There is no question that he loves Attleboro and has dedicated himself to the city. Obviously, he let his emotions get the best of him.
The the audience was rude to voice any kind of response positive or negative.
I like George Ross, he's got gusto and he knows Attleboro.
I like Paul too, I think Attleboro would be well served to have him stay active in Attleboro politics. I just don't know how Paul would be as a state rep.. To bad he didn't decide to give us a glimpse of his leadership and ideals as a councilor. I would like to see what I'm getting before I buy. I already know what Rep. Ross brings.
It looks like a close race though, 5 points or less decides this one.
Bear Cat
7:48 am on Tuesday, October 30, 2012
Wayne, I like the fact that you want to know what you are getting before you buy. As a State Rep, in the public lime light and a position of trust, you have to keep your emotions in check. "I already know what Rep Ross brings", is enough for me to know that I would never vote for him after his display of anger and his disgusting gesture towards the audience at the debate and the men and women that have served this country. Wayne, you know what you are getting if you vote for George Ross. Do the right thing and cast your vote for Paul Heroux. Paul has already givien us a glimpse of his leadership and ideals at the debate and he certainly out classed Rep Ross.
Chrys Swenson
8:09 am on Tuesday, October 30, 2012
I don't read anything about Obama and his latest use of foul language or the multiple times Biden has let an f-bomb drop. If George Ross did flip the bird, which is subjective from the Youtube video I watched, he should apologize for letting his emotions get the best of him. I can say when I or my family has had any contact with him he has been very gracious, never cursed, and never used the f-bomb. I'll take him over someone who couldn't be bothered to vote. I'm 39 and I have voted in every election since I was able to vote.
Brian Hutchinson
8:24 am on Tuesday, October 30, 2012
I have also voted in every election since I was 18, But I didnt go to college or Saudi Arabia to teach English. I guess getting degrees should be held against some one. I will not be voting for Ross for a few reasons and it has nothing to do with him flipping the bird to the crowd. His highlights as a legislator were not impressive, During the Sturdy Project Rep Ross could have made sure to use Union Labor but he couldn't be bothered. at that time Unemployment was @10% in the Attleboro Area. That is a highlight i think. His joke of a Bath Salt bill that he knew nothing about before it was singed is another. He doesn't bring Aide to the City it is an algorithmic formula that he probably doesn't understand, or how aide is dispersed. When it comes to education I didnt even hear Rep Ross say anything about it. There are many many issues in the Education system from Teachers salaries to not supplies to the lunch that they feed the kids. these are the issues that I am voting on.
deb of see-attleboro
9:42 am on Tuesday, October 30, 2012
IMO, the reason why "Teachers salaries, to not supplies to the lunch that they feed the kids" is because of a dangerous combination of state/federal mandates vs local school commitees/superintendents caving to the demands of parents.
IMO, it is darn near impossible to provide all the bells and whistles of a private school education by way of a mostly regressive tax system that hits the middle and low income the hardest. Something has got to give. I think we have built an unsustainable public education system. I think local control is slowly but surely going to be dismantled. And maybe it should be.
Brian Hutchinson
1:32 am on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
You could be more wrong. When it comes too educatuon it gets pushed aside. Did you know that money was taken zaway from Education across the country for the Patriot Act? And The Homeland Security act? In the paper Wrentham police were fitted in Tactical gear at the Outlets to practice for a shooting. Thats nice but when it comes to the schools they get screwed everytime for these things. The Attleboro Police got a new Fleet of vehicles. Sadly they had to Spend the Home land secutity money or they would loose it. They couldnt allocate it to the School system the could be allocate to the Fire Department. Nope Home Land security. It is a crock.A scare tactic that works time and time again.
Gretchen Robinson
7:31 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
you just want everyone to go to a private religious school, where children can be turned into little religious zealots, paid for by un-Constitutional 'vouchers' with the money coming out of taxpayer's pockets. You are like the rest of the extremist Republicans, wanting to destroy public education, simply because public schools teach children how to THINK! For themselves.
deb of see-attleboro
6:46 am on Thursday, November 1, 2012
Gretchen:
Two points:
1) As I posted in a previous thread, I completely oppose vouchers.
2) What evidence do you have that government schools teach kids to think for themselves?
Just curious. How are vouchers unconstitutional?
Sarah
12:17 pm on Tuesday, October 30, 2012
I hate to paint with a wide brush but Paul and his supporters are some of the most arrogant people. I was at the debate and was bombarded with Paul’s resume. Yep, I get it, you are educated. I am happy that Paul confirmed that he demonstrated that he has a whole bunch of book smarts, but little to no common sense. He stated that he would be able to work with the City Council, and then proceeded to insult them. While speaking of abortions he lectured parents from the stage and then listed 4 steps : Abstinence, birth control, adoption, and if those don’t work out abortion. Really? If you took his advice it would be murder (abortion after a failed adoption). But that’s ok, you know why? People will be committing crimes just to get sex changes. That’s right.. he said that too.
Politicians have done far worse than flip the bird with no consequences. Look no further than our own Mayor, City Council and School Committee. Flat out crimes have been committed, with no one held accountable. Bill Bowles and his group of merry men were out of line and disrespectful to the group at large who gathered to hear the debates. Booing and shouting and mad outbursts through the entire proceedings. It was SHAMEFUL.
Gretchen Robinson
7:28 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
turn that finger of shame back upon yourself. I just went through some old letters to the editor for the Sun Chronicle. One after another stressed language like "Shame" and shameful and Blamed democrats. That kind of moralizing is pure sanctimony on your/their part.
Brian Hutchinson
1:28 am on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Shameful is not doing anything for the City of Attleboro in the Sun Chronicle it listed the accomplishments of the 3 Jr Reps and well the Ross record didnt show. There is nothing wrong with Old Time politics and people being passionate about their candidate. Was it wrong when the Scott Brown supporters went ape shit during last election? I would say not. It brought a fire to politics that was lost. Now Paul is book smart and you say he has no common sense have you ever met Paul? He does have common sense and is soft spoken. That dosent mean he is lacking common sense. Paul is very passionate for the City of Attleboro and his supporters want to make sure that they get the right man in office. As far as the Sex change comment you have to be crazy to think that. 1 guy who murdered his wife claiming what ever now wants to be a woman and the state has to pay for it is crazy. It is a precedent that should be over turned but to say People will be committing crimes just to get sex changes.and then to say Paul Heroux endorses it is just plain foolish.
G. Dub
7:48 am on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
I watched the debate on tv. I did not see the bird. I know. I utilize the gesture quite frequently. On the side though: I don't know if others watching noticed the audio kept 'clipping out'. It seems to be a constant problem on double ACS. I had to switch back and forth. Anyways. I like Mr. Ross, but when it comes to brass tacks, my vote is for Mr. Heroux. Yes. I vote Dem mostly, but party aside, we need the type of mindset displayed by Mr. Heroux.
Brian Hutchinson
9:04 am on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Stop the spin Sara.... Paul also noted his work experience in addition to his education. And Paul never lectured parents on abortion. He gave very important advice to parents (which I am) about how to keep their kids safe against sex offenders. And Paul said that he thought that the sex change operation was a bad precedent. He also said it would be a problem if people commit crimes just to get medical care. And it seems that you are admitting that Ross flipped the bird. Good anyone who sees the video in slow motion (even in regular speed) can't deny that he did that and is an insult to voters
Daniel F. Devine
9:36 am on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Wonder why Mr. Lunt has had NO COMMENT about this? According to him George Ross can walk on water & is the best thing since sliced bread. I was waiting for Mr. Lunt to say that George had a cramp in his middle finger. Attleboro voters, do the right thing & VOTE ~ * PAUL HEROUX FOR STATE REPRESENTIVE *
Catherine
5:54 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Paul also said "I hate abortion. I promise I will never have one." Bad choice of words from a supposedly well educated man. Brian you are absolutely right he is a soft spoken "know it all. A smart person doesn't make comments like that. He sounded like he was making a joke and wanted his supporters to laugh. In my opinion, he comes across as being too cocky.
deb of see-attleboro
7:42 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
"I hate abortion. I promise I will never have one."
Snarky, dismissive and condescending. This technique was used by Obama against Hillary and then more agressively with Romney.
Do they teach this stuff at Harvard?
Catherine
6:05 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Another thing Brian. I care alot about this city also and that doesn't make me quallified for State Rep. Not long ago, Mr. Heroux was going to run for another seat until he found out Kennedy was running, then he decided to back out. Paul enlisted into the Navy after high school and it was alittle too touch for him and he elected to leave within a short time. In my opinion, once a quitter, always a quitter.
Brian Hutchinson
1:13 am on Thursday, November 1, 2012
I find your tone and manor-ism completely disturbed and off base here.
Gretchen Robinson
7:21 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
George Ross is definitely giving the finger, clearly there, plus the look of disgust and rage is all too clear, too. So it was a complete package of contempt. The 'real' George Ross showed his true colors.
Gretchen Robinson
6:46 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012
deb,
glad to hear that you don't want vouchers. Vouchers are unconstitutional because mostly it's religious schools who want education money but still want to promote religion. Governments and schools are supposed to be not entangled with churches/religions.
Schools teach children to think when there isn't so much testing and when education and teachers are not made into political footballs for ideological reasons. I think they do well but could do better.