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Councilor Rips City's Handling of Storm Recovery

Jonathan Weydt says there were "so many issues" in his Ward 4. He fears a good discussion on these issues will never take place.

 
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City Councilor Jonathan Weydt talks about "issues" with the blizzard recovery in his Ward 4.
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City Councilor Jonathan Weydt talks about "issues" with the blizzard recovery in his Ward 4.

City Council President Frank Cook said near the beginning of the meeting Tuesday that "critique" of the city's handling of the snowstorm recovery would not be allowed, and, if needed, had to take place during a later meeting. Councilor Peter Blais believed that praise for city workers and contractors was allowed, and gave it at the end of the portion of the evening dedicated to his Committee on Public Works.

"I know it was passed around today that I over-compliment, but I think in times like this, a compliment in public for those guys who worked out there is well-deserved," said Blais, who spoke about the workers giving what he called 150 percent effort.

Other councilors agreed with Blais, but Jonathan Weydt was not interested in the topic. He stormed out of the meeting during Blais' comments. He returned a few minutes later and lashed out about what he believed were problems with the effort, especially in his Ward 4.

"I do feel there was some good work done, but we had a lot of problems in Ward 4 ...We had issues in Ward 4, a lot of issues," Weydt said.

Among the issues Weydt mentioned were extended power outages, an evacuation of a senior couple that took 10 hours to coordinate and streets being left unplowed for too long.

Blais cut off Weydt, and said he would not "entertain discussion about problems," but said this should be a topic for another meeting. Weydt said he did not believe the discussion would ever take place.

Weydt submitted a document to Attleboro Patch about what he believed were some of the problems with the cleanup. It was posted here.

  • Councilor Jonathan Weydt's comments were

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    • right on
        34 (70%)
    • needed, but for another time
        3 (6%)
    • something I don't care about
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Related Topics: Jonathan Weydt, Peter Blais, Snowstorm, and Winter Storm

George Glass

7:07 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Well, someone has to say it! Nice job Jonathan!

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Gloria Silva

9:09 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

freedom of speech. Plowing snow is a WELL paid job something most people don't have. Save the thanks for volunteers went there are some.

Love My Jacks

7:10 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I will be driving my son to school today due to the fact that on my street nor the sidewalks on OAKHILL AVE (Attleboro speedway) are plowed. It is so dangerous.

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Steve Hopkins

8:11 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

thou dost protest too much! so drive him to school! Are you going to remember this a few years from now?, next year??
Perfection does not exist! We must all live with inconveniences at times.
fortunately you do not have to hitch up horses to a wagon or sleigh, 'drive' to school , return home and un-hitch the horses etc.
thou dost protest too much!

Ken Tenglin

7:40 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I hope the discussion does take place. I believe there is room for improvement in how this storm was handled. Good job, councilor.

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Steve Hopkins

8:13 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

He is correct. someone should speak up, at the time of the problem. Not a few months from now. In the meantime the DPW should be responding to the 'issues'
Was Ward 4 messier than other wards or does just have more impatient complainers?

James

8:05 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Ward 4 is so lucky to have such a passionate councilor. Jonathan listens to his constituents and speaks for them before the city council. Only wish Ward 3 councilor had the same passion as Ward 4. My friend in Ward 5 is livid about the conditions on Oakhill Avenue. He does not plan on voting for Denlea come election time. Councilors, are you listening?????

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Steve Hopkins

8:14 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Oakhill Ave was fine. No sidewalks done but the road was just fine!

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James

8:41 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

So Steve, the kids are supposed to walk in the street to get to school since according to you the road is fine, just no sidewalks?

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Bobby

9:18 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Mr. Hopkins Oakhill was in such poor shape on Sunday they had what is called a Walter Sno-Fighter plow truck with a side plow and several large 10 wheel dump trucks behind him, these were private hired snow plows, mind you the city had truck 21 stuck on Oakhill while plowing ( No weight in body) so Oakhill was not FINE.

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Jerry Chase

5:13 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

Maybe so, Steve; but I think that you should conjure up some understand and/or compassion for parents of youngsters. The fact is that "walking to school" is a hold-over from another era that wasn't anywhere near as dangerous. As a parent, I do deem Oak Hill Avenue rather dangerous for youngsters, especially ones under ten.
We're speaking about precious, irreplaceable resources, after all: the next generation. If you want a more in-depth explanation for my opinion, e-mail me at jerrychase5@yahoo.com. Thank you.

Larry Rose

8:23 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

What is this?? Kevin's little "fiefdom", Noone is allowed to speak without approval from John Cook (aka: Kevin Dumas)
As MLK once said "Let Freedom Ring", You have to have an orderly discussion, I agree, but let us have the discussion.
How else are we to improve the situation??

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F

8:36 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

F
Do people of Oak Hill Ave think they are the only road in Attleboro who do not have
sidewalks...plowed or not plowed?

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Norma Brewster

8:39 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

You are so right and those of us who live in Ward 4 know exactly what you are talking about. The rest who did not lose power for three days and could not get out to go someplace warm will have no idea what you are saying.

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Steve Hopkins

9:06 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

that's right James...let the parents drive them to school - esp. middle school and elementary kids. What's wrong with that?
Or the parents could walk with them all, to the bus stop or the actual school carry an orange flag to 'warn' or keep drivers alert.
A little 'struggle in life' is good for the soul!

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James

9:31 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Steve, why be so mean? We are just asking questions. I'm sure that many parents would drive their kids to keep them safe, but some people don't have a car, some people cannot walk with their kids to school because they have to be at work to support the family. It's not the same world that you and I grew up in many years ago. I walked to school, in the street when the sidewalks weren't yet plowed but that was back then. Now a days there are too many people in such a hurry or talking on their cell phones or texting that they don't watch out for others on the road let alone kids. Believe me, I feel that in today's society the kids have way too much and should toughen up but not in the case of safety first. Please, no one is really being mean here, we just want what is best for the kids. Look at it this way, if the city ignored plowing the streets and just did the sidewalks then the shoe would be on the other foot. Wish this wasn't so, but it is. Please try and be nicer here, no one is attacking YOU!

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Brandy G.

9:54 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Aw someone's an entitled, self-righteous jerk. How cute.

Brandy G.

9:52 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Sounds to me like Blais and Cook want to live in a perfect world where no one ever has anything bad to say about anyone else and everyone is wonderful and happy. It's unsettling that they tried to silence Weydt for speaking out against their naivety and speaking up for the people of Attleboro.

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George Glass

1:39 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Well said Brandy. And very accurate.

GCP

10:01 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I am just curious, I haven't seen a plow since Sunday - schools were out Mon & Tues. & delayed today, what have they been doing?

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James

10:10 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Brandy, the more they try and silence Jonathan or any other councilor who speaks for "the people" the more they hurt themselves and the louder Jonathan is heard. Jonathan is a good Ward Councilor and this is not the first time that he has stood up to the old schoolers. He was voted for by the people to speak for them and he has done his job very well. Jonathan speaks for the people because....."It's the right thing to do!!"

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Adam Edward

10:13 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

The effort started nice but it seems like once the snow stopped so did the plowing. I understand these people put in long hours and needed to sleep but seeing that a lot of other towns actually had roads on sunday made me a little upset with the effort. We knew this was coming and should have been more than prepared. It has been 5 days since the storm and a lot of streets are still barely 2 lanes and sidewalks are just starting to appear. If it was okay to compliment at the meeting why wasn't it okay to criticize. I don't want to join the complaining bandwagon as I understand there job is a hard one. Main street was a snowmobile track for a few days after the storm and I probably wouldn't have been very upset if I hadn't ventured out of Attleboro and seen what great jobs other towns did.

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GiGi Grace

10:26 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Jonathan Weydt keep up the good work!! Mr. Blias excused himself from the vote because he used his influence to get all of his kids jobs for life in the public works department. Of course he is praising them. Because Mr. Weydt was not allowed to bring the issues forth you people don't know what the problems were and they may never be corrected. Where did President Cook go halfway through the meeting? Who is the Parliamentarian?

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Jonathan Friedman

10:28 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Gigi, the first part of the meeting attended by President Cook was a regular meeting. After the session on the cost of the storm, the regular meeting ended. Then they started committee meetings. President Cook usually doesn't attend committee meetings because he is not on a committee.

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Bill K.

12:23 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Jonathan, Does not Cook usually sit at the clerk's desk during each of the committee meetings? I do believe the council president by rule is member of every committee

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Bill K.

12:31 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

ps I did not watch the meeting live last evening. If Cook left th chambers what was his reason for doing so?

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Bob

1:23 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Maybe he wanted to leave babysitting duty to the vice president and be around adults???

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Jerry Chase

8:47 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

The Council president is considered by Council Rules to be an "ex-officio" member of all ten standing committees. I believe that, normally, the president sits aside from the chair during committee meetings; but is available for committee voting if needed.

Yet, the Rules do require the president (or his/her absence, the Council's "presiding officer" of the evening) to enforce ALL the Rules at ALL meetings, regular and committee. The Rules must prevail----not people. Otherwise, it's anarchy.

Kimberly A

10:40 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I think this was just a storm that was so large, it got ahead of people. Cities can only be prepared for so much, and people some people seem to think that if it wasn't done as perfect that they wanted it done, then it's as if they did nothing at all. Plow workers weren't just sitting around, drinking coffee, and having a marvelous time. I don't know if that little sidewalk plow I see is any match for these 4-5 foot mounds of snow on the sidewalks. Frustrations when something like this happens in inevitable, but that's the nature of the beast. Maybe instead of trying to place blame, people should come together and figure out a solution. It's not like the city can just "wish" the snow away.

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Hollie

2:51 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I agree with this. The blame game solves nothing, but a discussion needs to be had. I am a new resident to Attleboro and was shocked at the condition of the roads. I sincerely hope this is not the norm. I would agree that the plow workers were not just sitting around. Unfortunately, when criticism is given in a situation like this, it seems to land on the plow workers, whether or not they are the intended target. The reality is, the plow workers do what they are told. If the problem lies in the management (which I believe it does) no number of top notch plow workers working endless hours is going to make a bit of difference. I would be upset if I were one of the plow workers. No one with any sort of sense would argue that there was not a major problem in response to this storm, plow workers included, but to be one of those who worked through it for days on zero sleep only to be criticized for doing a poor job must be infuriating. Better management is what they needed, then maybe their efforts would not have been in vain.

Jerry Chase

10:44 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

What the video clip demonstrates is that Councilor Blais did not want to have such discussions in front of the cable TV cameras----he would much rather have any such discussions off-camera. This is pure cowardice, in my opinion. Anybody agree?

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Laura Dolan

11:06 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

C'mon Jerry, you've been around long enough to know this is status quo. Blais does what Blais wants and WE are the ones that are wrong.

Jerry Chase

11:04 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Another video clip that would show what a rat Frank Cook is, would be his statement near the beginning of this meeting, per the report by Patch's Jonathan Friedman
above, that " . . 'critique' of the City's handling of the snowstorm recovery would not be allowed, blah, blah." This is also pure COWARDICE, trying to stifle legitimate debate among those elected to do this sort of thing, and in front of TV cameras.

It almost seems like a constant contest to see which city councilor can drink the most of "the mayor's kool-aid". Absolutely disreputable, dispicable, and disgusting!

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Bob

11:39 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Did you mean this video, Jerry? You and Jonathan have a lot in common!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6a_dqAb66I

James

11:10 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I do! Councilor Blais is known for off-camera discussions/antics/temper fits.

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James

11:59 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Jerry did nothing wrong that night. He was tired of being interrupted and because he was standing up to those who don't follow rules and got interrupted yet again he said what was on his mind. He did NOT go behind the camera, he did it full face for all to see and I say he is more of a man than those who don't show their true colors. Bob, where did Jonathan get out of line? The council was told not to discuss this issue and Blais went right ahead and did what he wanted (yet again). This then opened the door for others to have their say but then were shut down.Where is the democracy in that? Nothing was said UNTIL Blais said something.But he always defends the public works on everything.

Bill K.

12:56 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I called it here in the Patch on Monday stating that Blais or as I call him "Mr It's the right thing to do", would compliment the "150%* effort guys in the DPW" for doing a great job. My guess is that the "guys" hit Blais' street with the plow atleast a half a dozen times.
*psst... Blais...psst..no effort can exceed 100%

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Jerry Chase

1:03 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Hopefully, the next Council president assigns councilors to the Public Works Committee that aren't so "unusually co-operative" with P. Blais, so that said
TYRANT can't get away with UNFAIRLY shutting down another councilor that
has legitimate things to say when he has the floor. Such move was dispicable;
yet would not elicit "critique" from the current coward of Ward 3.

The 'shut-down' by Chairman Blais was not only unfair to J. Weydt, it deprived the citizens of information that is properly theirs. Let the VOTERS "send a message".

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Bob

1:28 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Jerry, to clarify, is it the same message they sent you?

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Richard W. Lunt

10:51 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Jerry,
To call the current Ward 3 City Councilor a coward is just plain nasty on your part, the Ward 3 Councilor has done a good job for many years.

Bob

1:14 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I'll whisper this to you Bill K and only you... YOU'RE WRONG! If you exert effort equal to, let's say 10 lbs. and then you increase that effort to, let's say 50lbs., you have now increased that effort 400%. So if you were to use 150% as your math, you would be exerting 1 1/2 times more than zero. And you thought you were so smart :)

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Jerry Chase

1:39 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Fifty pounds is FIVE times more than ten pounds. Five TIMES equals 500%.

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Bob

2:13 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Ummmmmmmm, you're wrong too, Jerry. Fifty is a 400% increase over Ten. I guess math is ALSO not a strong point of yours.

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Bill K.

2:38 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Bob...you're oh so wrong. I typed this slowly so you would understand it.
The effort to move your 10 lbs is 100%. If you increase the weight to 50 lbs and you move the weight the effort is still 100%.
You only increased the force and therefore the work not the EFFORT ( Work is done when force acting on a body displaces it. Work = Force x Displacement in the direction of the force.)
I'm wicked smaht. Woohoo!!
What else you got!?

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Bill K.

2:45 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

psst...Bob...psst. Effort is the result of an attempt, if the attempt is successful it's....OH NO!!! 100%! any result less that successful...............<100%.

Wow I'm supah wicked smaht

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Jonathan Friedman

3:16 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I do love math riddles, although I scored poorly on the SATs. But let's try not to go too off-topic.

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Jerry Chase

4:17 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Fifty is forty more than ten using a subtraction viewpoint; but 50 is 500% more than ten because fifty is five TIMES ten, viewing it in a multiplication sense. I appeal to any competent mathematics instructor.

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Bob

4:39 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Super Wicked Smaht Bill K, I quantified it for you. Someone's effort is subjective. That is exactly the problem that occurred last night. Peter Blais wanted to thank the workers for their hard work and discuss how to improve later but Jonathan Weydt wanted to win votes by making himself appear engaged and marginally intelligent. How many times can one talk about diesel fuel? Alright, I'll respect the editor's wishes and stay on topic:)

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Bob

4:54 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Mr Really Nice Jonathan Friedman, I just have to say one more thing to Jerry Chase and I promise I'll stop. Click on this and put your numbers in, Jerry. It will show you I'm right and you are completely and definitively wrong. Please and Thank you. Have a nice day!

http://www.percentagecalculator.net

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Bill K.

9:31 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I will adhear to Jonathan's request to stay on topic as well, but one last comment on effort as was afforded Bob:
Bob you quantified ( def..defined the application: again mis-use of a term to show self importance but ignorance at the same time) of nothing, you chose to come on here and sling arrows on something which you thought you had an idea of but got schooled when you were educated in the correct use there of.
So next time you want to spar with me, dress in fireproof clothing so you don't get burnt again.

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Bob

7:32 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Bill - You schooled me? Sorry but I wasn't aware of that. You must not have been that effective a teacher. I will keep my vocabulary simple so you won't have to look up the definitions and then cut and paste them into your response. The "dress in fireproof clothing" was kinda witty... sounds like something my teenager would say. Hey, keep your sense of humor and don't take things too seriously:)

Julie Geltrude

1:30 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

In wards 2A-and 2B roads were bad and took forever to be done. Then when done had 5 inch layer if not more left after they went by with 2 trucks and left only one lane. Never in my life of 42 years in Attleboro have I ever seen such horrible roads and not to mention the days off from my kids school with absolutely no sidewalks done but the ones we all did over where we live. Where have the workers been? I understand they have a life ad need sleep... But the workers up until this year have done an overly wonderful job. So I'd say fire some that are in now and re-hire if possible the ones that really like "a job well done". I shoveled out neighbors and spots to walk and some of street. I didn't have to, but it needed to be done. Even school streets of Studley, Brennan, and Attleboro high school sidewalks were not done. Thanks for letting my kids walk in the street.

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Jerry Chase

5:00 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

After reviewing this video clip a second time, it was not clear as to who the third member of the Council's Public Works committee is. It would be good to know.
The City's website lists the chair of each of the ten standing committees, but it
does not list the other two councilors that are members of each.

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Steven Scott

5:09 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

From the other paper
Mayor Kevin Dumas said at one point Public Works Superintendent John Clover and Public Works Foreman Bobby Araujo were out checking conditions and got lost.
Defiantly a management problem!!

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Bear Cat

5:31 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

It is time for Peter Blais to go. I think all his children have city jobs now, so his mission is complete. Step aside and let someone come in to represent constituents, not family members.

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Stephen V. Kane

7:42 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

My son Curtis who is eight said, "Dad, you did all that work and now it's all melted."

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Bear Cat

7:48 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

City Council President Frank Cook said near the beginning of the meeting Tuesday that "critique" of the city's handling of the snowstorm recovery would not be allowed, and, if needed, had to take place during a later meeting. Councilor Peter Blais believed that praise for city workers and contractors was allowed, and gave it at the end of the portion of the evening dedicated to his Committee on Public Works.

"critique"
noun
analysis, evaluation, assessment, appraisal, appreciation, criticism, review, study, commentary, exposition, exegesis.

If Peter Blais has the right to critique the DPW in his committee, after President Frank Cook specifically said it wouldn't be allowed than so does Johanathan Wedyt or any other member of that committee. The only one out of order at that meeting was councilor Blais.

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Jerry Chase

8:00 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Another reason in a long list to have a new City Council President the next term:
one who upholds the Municipal Council Rules of Procedure and other applicable Law, which MUST prevail over personalities for fair and proper governing.

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Jerry Chase

8:52 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Arguably, Frank Cook was also out of order by arbitrarily attempting to stifle speech, to try to restrict discussion without justification from a Council procedural rule. Even if such was a just and fair 'right' of the president, Frank does not and would not apply this ruling evenly to all: some get a 'pass', like P.B., and others get stifled. Fair??

Nick Lavoie

8:34 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

The sidewalks near schools were done hense why a delay was needed and when the mayor says he wont pay anymore on snow removal well that's why the roads stopped getting plowed and for the amount we did a good job

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attleboro mom

5:54 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I live off route one in so attleboro and they haven't plowed sidewalks. My daughter goes to Coelho. Thank God for my neighbors and family. They have been drove her and picked her up for my since I'm a working mom! I can't tell you how many times I've called about the sidewalks not being done . Nothing getting done

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Jen Crowder

9:18 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Apparently they forgot Willett because they still were not done today and that place is a MESS!!

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George Glass

9:36 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Actually Jen, the sidewalks are plowed at Willett, as they were yesterday. There was a dusting overnight and it was icy, no question, but the heavy stuff has been moved.

Coelho on the other hand is a nightmare. The school itself has been plowed but BROWN street does not have one sidewalk clear for those kids to walk to school. I counted 25 kids in the street. Buses + Cars +Kids in the road = accident waiting to happen! Where is Mr. Public Safety now? Perhaps there should be a police detail!! He loves those.

Wayne Lacroix

9:43 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I hope Coucilor Weydt is allowed to discuss the problems and help improve that nightmare. In order to get my parents out of their cold, dark house . I had to walk them down their unplowed street through snowdrifts to my car at 8:30 on Saturday night. From what I saw this was typical of most side streets in ward 4, and this was more than 24 hours from the start of the storm. I'm just happy this didn't happen in ward 5 because our ward rep is a no show and doesn't have the gumption as the ward 4 councilor.

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Jerry Chase

9:52 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I hope so, too, Wayne. But it should be done in front of Council chamber cameras.

John Kerry runs to every camera, whereas P. Blais avoids them as much as he can.

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Jonathan Friedman

11:25 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I have just deleted a comment that was extremely off-topic. Please have some restraint with what you post. There is no need to write about people's personal lives, especially rumors about people's personal lives.

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Betty L. Colol

11:39 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Mr. Friedman, I disagree. The comments are pertinent to the ability to function as a public servant. Most policies, bylaws etc. specifically state that one may not participate if one is under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Shall I find that or will you?

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Jonathan Friedman

11:48 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

You're free to disagree with me, but I will not allow posts on this site that state "I heard so and so did a criminal act." If you really need an explanation for why that is unacceptable, feel free to email me at jonathan.friedman@patch.com.

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Bill Bowles

11:55 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

The Council President presides over meetings of the full council, Technically, he had the right to stifle free speech for discussion that would take place before the full council, but this authority does not extend to committee meetings.

When Peter Blais complemented the DPW for the storm damage, Councilor Weydt had every right to critique the effort. When Weydt legally had the floor, Blais violated Roberts Rules of Order by abusing his position as chair in shutting down a Councilor who legally had the floor, and was addressing the topic at hand. Blais is an embarrassment.

Even though President Cook's declaration had no standing during committee meetings, where does he get off dictating testimony in a democracy. What's next? Will he dictate the votes of Councilors? The council needs a return to democracy.

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George Glass

9:28 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I assume you are "tongue in cheek" when you state: "What's next? Will he dictate votes". He so clearly already does that.

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Jerry Chase

12:22 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Bill has provided an excellent analysis here, especially as regards the Council's biggest problem: its repeated failure to uphold and adhere to the Municipal Council Rules of Procedure, available on the City's website, under City documentation.

frank lopes

5:47 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I work for the city and i plowed and. sanded for the storm we did the beste could lets put Mr weydt in a plow truck or sander for 24 hours straight and than sand for another 12 hours and go home for a shower than come back to remove snow from the streets and than go uptown to remove snow so before you put us down jump in my shoes

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Roxanne Houghton

12:10 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Mr. Weydt WAS out in a plow for 24 hours. He was out plowing streets in Ward 4 to help us out.

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Jerry Chase

12:29 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Frank, I know that you and all your fellow workers DID work hard . . . and for long,
long hours. Please believe me when I tell you that Mr. Weydt is not criticizing you
or your fellow workers. As can be witnessed from the very beginning of the video
clip here on Patch, Mr. Weydt states firmly that he has no problem, no criticism "for the people that did the work".

Trust me, Frank; neither Jonathan Weydt, nor I, nor anyone that I know of, has any interest in condemning or criticizing the operators & drivers of the snow removal equipment. I am very confident of this fact.

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Wayne Lacroix

4:21 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I can confirm that Councilor Weydt does in fact own a plow tuck and does snow removal. http://www.jwwaterproofing.com

George Glass

9:42 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Pleasant Street needs to be addressed NOW! A 4 lane road with NO SIDEWALKS for pedestrians. The center of town (where no one goes) is chrystal clear, and they have tiny little trucks moving snow on Maynard street. However, were there is the MOST traffic and the MOST pedestrian activity NOTHING! ... shame on you Attleboro. SHAME on you. Someone going to the laundromat or to Stop and Shop is going to get hit. (Thank you guy from DELS who actually cleared a little bit of sidewalk in-front of his store..)

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Bill K.

10:40 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Frank, I'd take your offer in a New York minute and the $$ you earned to do it as well. You accepted the job and therefore all that is required to complete the job. you can use the OT money to buy some cheese to go with that whine of yours. Apparently you don't know Mr Weydt, he'd take you up on the offer as well.

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Jonathan Friedman

10:44 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

For the record Jonathan Weydt was at Jonathan's Coffee Cafe, located at 68 Union Street, last Friday morning talking about how he does snow plowing.

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Bill K.

11:45 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Thanks Jonathan for the 411. Some are unaware of the backgrounds our elected officials have and leap before they look.

Rich

11:13 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

What a bunch of wash women, really how about getting a shovel and clear the sidewalks. Talk is cheap stop whining do some work.

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Gretchen Robinson

3:04 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

what's are "wash women"? if that's sexist talk, keep it to yourself. I spent hours shoveling out. And I didn't whine about it here. And I'm almost 70.

Jim

11:44 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Sure u would bill k . After 24 hrs u would be peeing in your panties crying to go home . Buy a plow truck and put it on the city an then u can shoot your mouth off

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Bill K.

2:41 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Just another in a long line of those that know nots but likes to take a shot: Well Jim, look up B Company 3rd Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment: Officer, commissioned 2Lt, 1 JUN 1983, then I went to Ranger School. Onto: Panama Operation Just Cause 1989, Desert Storm 1991, Somalia 1993, and to turn a phrase I was "In the S..." in all three, unlike you, who would have needed a warehouse of depends to make it thru the day. So sitting in a nice warm cab of a truck pushing snow for a mere 24 hrs is CAKE. Try a running firefight of 8 hrs where the enemy is not frozen water but kids and men with AK's & RPG's, no concept nor fear of death and all you want to do is see the sun come up. How's your foot tasting right about now? huh?

Jim

12:25 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

What's he plow your coffee shop parking lot and his driveway

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Sue lopes

12:30 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Whaaa whaaaa whaaa listen to yourselves - you should be working together!

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Jerry Chase

12:39 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

To Richard Lunt: I would be pleased and proud IF Frank executed the obligations by law, ordinance, and council rule . . . and upheld and honored the spelled-out, written obligations of being the Council president. But, HE DOES NOT: he routinely compromises, ignores, flouts, and/or disregards established written laws, ordinances, and council rules . . . so that he can "accomodate" requests by a certain few people. I'll simply point out these facts, and we can disagree as to whether his performance is "a good job" or not. The evidence, however, strongly suggests, if not proves, cowardice. How can we ignore FACTS? The truth sometimes hurts.

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Duff White

1:09 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Mr. Chase: If ever there was a city councilor who would know exactly what constitutes violating the obligations by law, ordinance and council rule it would be you. Let us not forget that the week following your outburst, President Cook read into the public record emails which you authored. At least one of these emails contained an admonishment from another councilor that your correspondence was a violation of the law. Your follow-up action was to attempt to hide additional violations from Council leadership.

In truth, an October 14, 2008 headline in The Sun Chronicle reads: Attleboro City Council to make illegal e-mails public.

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/attleboro/council-to-make-illegal-e-mails-public/article_fd31d3d3-b4e6-5808-90c4-1b9c2a0eeb75.html

Is it possible, Mr. Chase, that some of your animosity towards some current members of the council is rooted in the fact that you were exposed as a law breaker?

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Richard W. Lunt

1:33 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Jerry,
On the contrary, Council President Frank Cook who I've known for many years is a man of integrity and I've also known him to adhere to council rules. In my opinion, your agenda of bashing the Council President stems from a certain mistake made by you during your time on the City Council which later appeared on YouTube. Get over it Jerry and stop bashing people with integrity.

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George Glass

5:15 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Oh Please Duff.. speaking of obligations by law (or perhaps oath), what about your obligation to your ward constituents when you quit being a councilor mid term? Talk about a credibility killer.

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Duff White

1:36 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

Mr. Glass:

I announced that I would not seek re-election. I continued to attend meetings and played a substantial role in the passage of the Child Safety Zone ordinance and stopping a company that would have put the lives of Attleboro residents and surrounding communities at risk. That is hardly quitting.

To the contrary, the reason that I announced I would not seek re-election as early as I did was to encourage the entrance of potential candidates who would have otherwise not run.

Say whatever you like if you are accurate about my record. As an elected official, that is part of the position.

To this day, I remain proud of my accomplishments on the Council.

Bill Bowles

12:54 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Frank, I my comments were directed at the process used during the council meeting. It dealt with free speech of a councilor, and not the work done by snow plow drivers.

Having said that, this storm seemed to be handled differently than other storms. I saw some side streets plowed, and while main streets like West Street and North Avenue not done near as well. This is not the snow plow drivers fault. It appears they were deployed differently this time, and which is a management or deployment issue. It would be a good idea for management to conduct a lessons learned from the storm, and to improve the response to the next storm.

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Roxanne Houghton

1:10 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Not omly was Mr. Weydt out plowing during the storm for over 24 hours straight - he is - as we speak - out shoveling out hydrants all over Ward 4. He does this for free..............no need for personal attacks.

Jim

1:18 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

He a city official he gets paid and why not he can personally attack others

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Henry

2:14 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Hey Jim, Back off Councilor Weydt, he doesn't get paid to shovel out fire hydrants. He, along with the 10 other councilors receive a stipend for their service as a city councilor.
Further more as a Ward 4 resident, he was speaking on my behalf, representing me and my concerns. Not off on a self serving agenda like some. While Jonathans comments got the press because it was confrontational to one of the old guards, what was I feel lost was a pretty good question by one of the councilors.
With 300 miles of road in attleboro and 75 vehicles clearing snow averaging a four mile responsibilty per vehicle.....Who creates the routes? Who dispatches the crews? Who is coordinating these efforts? Please tell me that someone is not asleep at the switch? Please tell me that Attleboro didn't piss away $300,000.00. The guys in the trucks putting in the windshield time did their jobs. The leaders failed.

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Jerry Chase

3:47 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

How about Frank's breaking of state law by misinterpreting or ignoring the state requirement for local bodies voting on zoning issues, per the example of Orion Realty's petition to re-zone a parcel on North Main Street. Massachusetts law stipulates that the requirement in the case of 20% or more within so many feet or actual abutters, requires a three-quarters vote OF THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. Frank declared wrongly that the requirement in that case was three-quarters of the members voting. On the night of the vote, one councilor was granted the right to abstain and one was absent. Frank said that it was thus 3/4ths of nine. State law
REQUIRES 3/4ths of the entire council, which is eleven. This is just one example.

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Jim

4:02 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Hey u back off he new the pay when decided to run and I'm one of those guys behind the windshield

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George Glass

5:10 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

And you know the pay when you are "Behind the windshield" get a tougher skin Jim. Everyone gets job evaluations, the plow team and the administrators just didn't measure up. The sad thing is in the private sector we lose our jobs if we have poor performance, city folk just keep hanging on......

Jim

4:06 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Just fine bill k I was in panama too on the USS Kalamazoo AOR -6 tiger team six and what does that have to do with this

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Bill K.

4:42 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

It has to do with you challenging me that I couldn't hack a warm plow pushing frozen water, when you know not what my physical endurance capability. I would welcome the opportunity.
A cruise ship sliding thru sme lockes v. boots on the ground in a hostlie environment; you're a joke. Typical squid: 3 squares and a cot and don't wrinkle my shirt mentality.

Jim

4:09 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Just like everybody has said about us

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Steven Scott

4:38 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I must say IF there was a plan,it was a poor one.If there was no plan then things went pretty well.Either way management needs to take some responsibility.
Just heard Bostons Mayor state that there were problems with the storms management and he will get together with those responsible and make sure it doesn't happen again. Why do our trusted servants close their eyes and think everything was wonderful? It seems that only one out of 12 has the guts to do the job assigned to him, make sure the people are fairly treated for the taxes they pay.

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Jerry Chase

5:17 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Here's another example: In early 2008, the nomination of Barry LaCasse, former city councilor, came before the municipal Council, as an "emergency appointment", for the post of Director of Budget & Finance (or similar). I objected because said post had been vacant for the previous eighteen months, and was thus not an emergency. Neither did it qualify under the definitions within the City Charter.

The Coucil leadership also decided to ignore the (state) law which required a minimum of a six-month period before a city councilor can be eligible for such a post for the same municipality. Thus, "leadership" decided to take the sleaze approach,
trying to take advantage of the legal requirements, both local and state. I voted no,
strictly because the Charter and state law were being violated in the process.

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Jerry Chase

8:24 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

The next to the last sentence in this post should have read: "Thus, "leadership" decided to take the sleaze approach, trying to take advantage OF THE WIDE-SPREAD IGNORANCE of the legal requirements, both local and state.

Jim

5:37 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

And just like a grunt bill doesn't know his ass from his elbow

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Jim

5:54 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

My skin is just fine George just sick of pinheads like u 2 spouting off at the mouth like nobody did anything just drove around

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George Glass

6:17 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Well Jim, I would be a little grateful to this PINHEAD, as I pay your salary. I never said you didn't do "anything". I simply said you didn't do it well.

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Jonathan Friedman

6:24 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

The person who used an inappropriate word regarding the male anatomy appears to have wisely deleted it. I would like to spend this Valentine's evening with my girlfriend and not moderating this comments section. Please behave yourself and use appropriate language while I'm gone. Thank you.

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Jim

6:26 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Why should I be grateful I pay me salary too I pay taxes to and did my job just fine whether u like it or not

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Bill K.

9:30 am on Friday, February 15, 2013

For someone who has ZERO, ZILCH, credibility when he called out Jonathan Weydt to get in a plow truck and see how hard the job is, when in fact Jonathan Weydt does indeed plow as an offshoot of his construction business, you got some eggs. If you drove angry like you are on here maybe the roads would not have sucked, thatt's right SUCKED so bad after you "...did my job just fine." YOU NEED TO GO AWAY!!! I may not know my ass from my elbow, per you, which is luaghable coming from "Jimmy the plow guy" So shut your hole!!
ps just think your summer job of "just getting a tan" is right a mere 4 months away.

Linda

6:53 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I live in 2A and thought the job done was pretty good. The streets weren't perfect, but they were passable. There was so much snow, that I understood, until today. I read the story about how much was spent on the storm and how much overtime was used. Then, why was a plow on my street in the middle of the night last night plowing and moving snow. I live on a side street off of West St. There was no need for my street to be plowed again. It was fine! I woke up around 12:30, had only been asleep about an hour, from a plow in front of my street. The back up ringing from the plow over and over in front of my house. I kept thinking it would stop. This sound went on for over an hour.
I got up this morning and saw they had moved all this snow that they picked up from the streets to my front yard. This is why this plow was constantly in front of my bedroom making this noise. I had mounds of snow in my front yard. Is this legal. Can they just dump all this snow on private property? That's not even what angered me. I go to leave my house at 7 am and the whole bottom of my driveway is covered with huge snow boulders. I couldn't move them. They were huge and heavy. I tried to break them with the shovel. They were complete ice. I got down to the ground and rolled them over and over to the side of my driveway. I couldn't lift them. I didn't want to leave them in the street as someone would ruin their car or get in an accident if they hit it.

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Roxanne Houghton

7:00 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Linda
You should call your Ward Representative ASAP. If he is not available - call the Mayor. If huge snow boulders were put into your driveway so that you cant get out - that would be dangerous in case of an emergency. If all else fails, call the police dept and have them page someone with the city to have the snow on your property and driveway - removed. If that doesnt work, call Patch and the Sun Chronicle and have them send a photographer over to your house!

Linda

7:18 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I did call city hall from work today. After giving my story, I was told that they were on a project to widen the streets. My street was fine and wide enough. They certainly didn't need to be doing this in the middle of the night and making all the noise. They transferred me to John Clover's voice mail. I left a message. When I got home, the larger boulders were still to the side where I pushed them. My son managed to drive over the smaller ones and since it was in the 40's today, they were just slush. It just shouldn't have happened. I live next to elderly neighbors and their driveway was also covered. They would never have been able to get out of their home if needed.

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Roxanne Houghton

7:24 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Linda
You should call your Ward Rep - Mark Cooper. He is very responsive to his Ward 2 people.

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Nick Lavoie

7:44 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

You all. Need to grow up and most of you would cry plowing sorry we have a cheap mayor who made half the trucks go home Saturday morning

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George Glass

8:48 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

And there you have it. Mystery solved. Thank you Nick...

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Jonathan Friedman

1:52 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

A comment was deleted. Please do not speculate on the identities of fellow commenters. It is not fair to those people. As always, it is strongly encouraged that you use your real name when posting on Patch.

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Just sayin'

3:33 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

I agree - this first day or two after the storm I think the snow removal was done to the best of everyone's ability considering the volume at least in my area. It seemed though the snow removal really lost steam after that. Tired crews needing rest? Poor decisions regarding dispatch? Equipment spread too thin? I wish someone in charge would admit some things could have been done differently and what they learned. It is frustrating to read quotes that 'most roads are down to pavement', yet I end up slipping and sliding on partially plowed roads while going to work then running errands.

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Jerry Chase

4:06 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

The ONE who could "admit some things could have been done differently . ." will never state them. IMO, it goes right to the top. But what motivation would he have to say anything, since he's a lead-pipe cinch to win re-election? BTW, my enemies should note that I'm only addressing the politics of snow removal----not the process.

Gretchen Robinson

3:04 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

We were just watching AACS and they had a report on the storm. Pike Ave. area has snow thunder and downbursts of snow. And blowing snow adds to that. So the next morning it looked like the plows hadn't come through.
If you live in New England, you have to accept that life slows down and you stay hunkered down in a snowstorm.

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Jerry Chase

5:12 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

Suppose it was a committee chairperson which the Council prez was not inclined to give 'em "a pass"? Would said prez issue any words regarding a "chair" shutting
down another councilor in violation of the Rules? The Rules call for the president to enforce the Rules at ALL meetings, regular and committee. But Frank will speak against some who execute a minor infraction, but will not say a word if a "favored" councilor does the same. It's the "double-standard" which is objectionable . . . among some other things.

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Gretchen Robinson

8:19 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

I don't know the incident you are alluding to.
But my general opinon as a member of Ward 3B is that this ward needs a new City Councilor and a new State Rep. Both Frank Cook, and especially Betty Poirier, are entrenched. New blood is needed.

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