Another moderator totes Barry's clubs for him. But he can't hide this dismal economy on his watch. And undecided voters aren't fools. Thank God for the fact-checking sites. CNN's Anderson Cooper already called out Crowley for lying about the "act of terror" speech in the Rose Garden. Turns out Obama did not call that attack in Libya an "act of terror" but referred obliquely to "acts of terror that ... uh ... will not ... uh ... be tolerated." Romney was correct: It took the administration five days to own up. Next debate on foreign policy should be interesting, given Crowley's exposed lie. Folks, are you as fed up with the media?

Dude, open your mind. B. Huiessein Obama is bankrupting the country, don't you even care?

Obama won.

Another moderator in OBAMAS pocket (verifying his incorrect statement)., Between this, the corrupt media with blinders on & the millions of freeloaders & illegals who will be voting for him, it looks like he (OBAMA) can't loose! God help us.

Mitt is such a pandering whiner!
http://snd.sc/xxklcp

Dear Darren, this is a capitalistic country--if you want socialism, move to Canada wher you sign up to get an MRI, and nwait!!!!

The GOP has spent two decades building a media that always says they won, even when they obviously lost. But they only convince themselves.
I see the low-info voters still spouting socialism....but do not have an idea what that actually means -too stupid to successfully drop a paper on the floor - good work Coppola - great in-DUH-vidual u are!

Obama attacked, distorted his weak record, and lied about Libya. He is bankrupting the company financially and morally....

Please don't look at the facts. Obama's record cannot be erased by hollywood retoric.
Wake up! The chair is empty. He has no business or political background. He is a tremendous onstage presence, but he can't govern and should not be given four more years to further his ajenda. He needs NO MORE YEARS!

Mitt Romney won the debate.

And helpful to have had Mitt Romney bring up Obama's pension. Obama's pension, invested in companies from China.

Watch the video clip or google a search for it, where Mitt Romney questions Obama on his pension. Start with the video clip available online from CBSNews.com:

http://www.CBSNews.com/video/watch/?id=50133275n&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsGameCore+(GameCore%3A+CBSNews.com)

Interesting how Obama surrounds himself with people who are focused on bankruptcy.

http://www.USDebtClock.org/

Currently the National Debt Clock in real time is: $16,182,374,117,253. And by the time you finish reading this, the figure will be substantially higher. Nearly $6 Trillion of that $16+ Trillion in new DEBT, came from the past 4 Obama years in office.

Darren,
This is for your benefit:

Part 1 - Obama's Ties to Socialism, Marxism, and Communism1. Obama's Father Wrote About Socialism - His father wrote a paper called "Problems With Our Socialism" that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land. Source: Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit 2. Obama's Mother Was a "Communist Sympathizer" - " Friends describe her as a "fellow traveler", that is, a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007, Chicago Tribune report" Source: Spengler, Asia Times "The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics - Barack Obama" Source: Tim Jones, Chicago Tribune 3. Obama's Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist USSR) - "His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (her father always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class" Source: Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times

Stop watching FOX news......It's messing with your mind!!

Darren,
Here's the second half:

4. Obama's Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member) - "...through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just Frank." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "Kathryn Takara of the University of Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attended Punahou prep school in Hawaii from 1975 to 1979" Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein) 5. Obama's Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists - "Barack Obama's older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama. He is a Luo activist. militant Muslim and a Marxist." Source: Barbara Busby, 180people.com “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy Source: Bill Sammon, The Examiner "Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country" Source: Invenstor's Business Daily.

Obama came out ahead of the Obama who showed up for the first debate. In that respect: he won on style, but not on substance. He failed to present any viable plan that could change the downward economic spiral or stimulate job growth. He touted, more of the same; stay the course. Clearly, a promise of continued economic malaise for the US.

Obama promised to slash the deficit, instead he increased it by $6 TRILLION!!!! The guy, and his Vice President are both morons who are clearly in over their heads and out of their depth. He threw money at all the problems, contrary to anyone's and everyone's idea of common sense, and it didn't work. Gee what a surprise. If you want to vote for a clown, vote for Obama.. again.

Why is China being "allowed" to "steal" so much IP-Intellectual Property from the United States.

And now that we know that Obama's pension is heavily-tied to Chinese companies, and to investments in both China and (running through the Cayman's, think: tax haven), what has Obama been doing for the past 4 years while in office? Ohh, those big, expensive tax-payer funded vacations on a private jet. Oh that's right. Nancy Pelosi too with her expensive jet-travel to/from. And all the while, this country's IP-Intellectual Property falls through the cracks in lands in some other countries hands.

Was the empty chair at Harvard University when Obama claims he attended? Has Obama always had an empty chair philosophy/problem, or was Clint Eastwood right-on-the-money.

Hey America, wake up! This is your IP-Intellectual Property. And for those of us, myself included, who are Inventors, and we have patents in our own name, learn to use the court system to your/our advantage.

Mitt does a nice job debating both Obama and the moderator!
Obama has no plan/agenda. He has not given any specifics. I’ve been trying really hard to figure out what his plan is for the next four years and can point to only a tax cut for the middle class and general statements about better education and less dependence on fossil fuel. There is nothing else there. Having said that I learned last night that “folks in America don’t want low paying low-skilled jobs but want high paying high skilled jobs”. I could not believe he said that except to know that he has never worked in the private sector for one day in his life. It was such an insulting thing to say to the Americans who built this country; so elitist.
On Libya, the table is set for Monday night, Obama has some explaining to do as he dug himself a big hole as to the cover-up , the time line and why there was no help or security given to Chris Stevens. The question was why was there no help and Obama never answered the question (along with a few others he never asnswered)..
So happy that Mitt got in his face and has to undo the lies that Obama tries to pass off as facts.
Mitt was exactly right about the drilling permits, they are down 62% for offshore drilling and 50% for on shore. Not even close to what Obama said….”whole bunch of leases”??? What exactly is a whole bunch????

Obama's dismal record speaks for iteself.

Based on the attitude towards women from Romney, I would not vote for him even if his plans made sense and by the way, they don't! If he is voted in, we may as well say goodbye to any progress women have made in the last hundred years.

Obama has a lot of words but says nothing

After this debate, I have made a decision to donate money to the Obama campaign and to volunteer to help get people to the polls. I do not know what Romney believes in. He is basically a used car salesman who can change his mind any minute depending on what will benefit HIM, not the country. Why is it that none of his sons is in the military? Why is most of his money hidden overseas? Is it because he loves America too much? This guy does not give a damn about America. He just wants money and power for himself. Period. Obama on the other hand believes in helping the little guy and I respect him for that even if I don't agree with his methods. At least I know what he believes in. Mitt Romney probably does not know what Mitt Romney believes in......besides his own self interest!

Romney won. Score: R = 75, O = 25
Btw, that moderator was terrible. Terrible.

Regarding that awful moderator:

.. first presidential debate, Jim Lehrer, interrupted Mitt Romney 15 times and Barack Obama only five. ... Crowley interrupted Obama nine times, (four were when he went over his time limit - which he did all night long). ... Crowley interrupted Romney 28 times. 28 times. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/17/Crowley-interrupts-28-times-Romney

Kennedy Kountry Klass .... However, the major networks have remained completely silent on the disturbing trend of Obama supporters threatening to resort to violence if their candidate fails to secure a second term.
http://www.infowars.com/threats-to-assassinate-romney-explode-after-debate/
… Obama supporters voice desire to kill Romney over fears food stamps will be taken away … media outlets attempt to downplay the issue, Twitter exploded last night following the debate with new threats from Obama supporters to assassinate Mitt Romney if he defeats Obama in the presidential race. Reported yesterday, in addition to threats by Obama supporters to riot if Romney wins, innumerable Twitter users are also making direct death threats against Romney.
If the tables were turned and conservatives were making death threats against Obama in these numbers, it would be a national news story. Indeed, the mere act of hanging empty chairs from trees as a reference to Clint Eastwood’s RNC speech was hyped by the media as a deadly sign that conservatives were out to lynch black people if Obama won

I was hoping to hear about Mitt's 5 point plan. All I keep hearing about is his 5 point plan. How about some details? Also why are people like the Koch Brothers and the owner of Westgate Resorts allowed to tell their employees if Obama gets in again, they will lose their jobs? Where is this information in the media? Google both of them and you will find several articles stating this as fact.

FINALLY!! The REAL Obama!

IMO, the unlikeable, elitist college professor turned president came back to life last night. That was the guy I dreaded becoming POTUS. After four years of this regime, it is easy to see why Congress can't work with him.

Do we the people deserve four more years of a dysfunctional Washington?

For me this election is also about the character of the man who will be leading our country for the next four years, and it is Governor Romney, hands down. The president showed more emotion and empathy for his fallen friends when he chastised the governor for his remarks regarding President Obama's handling of Libya then he did in the Rose Garden shortly after the terrorist attack. The only time the president shows any empathy or emotion is when it benefits him politically. His display of sadness and anger were designed to blunt the facts of the Libyan issue and make Romney appear to be the person with no feelings or conscience... people are not that shallow, Mr. President

Since we have 23,000,000 unemployed, why isn't a moratorium on LEGAL immigration on the table ? Stop the nonsense about stapling a green card to diplomas, and deport the illegals. let's get our own house in order first.

I was very impressed with Obama's handling of the post-earthquake cleanup, none of that FEMA-blundering we saw from Bush. Four more years indeed.

Give me a break, OBAMA won!!!! And he did it by illuminating the LIES that Romney keeps spewing. How the hell is Romney going to pay for his tax cut?? By making the middle class pay for it or raising the deficit, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO DO WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!!! Face it, he is the biggest liar there is. He has been running for president for 8 years for chrissakes and even republicans don't like him, no one does. Obama was handed this country after Bush ran it into the ground on his way out the door, I am so proud of what he did to keep to help this country after the republican criminals left office. How come no one ever talks about the billions wasted on the Iraq war we should have never been involved with? Is that convenient memory? Obama will win this election, so all you Massachusetts republicans please waste your vote on Mr Romney and watch your vote mean NOTHING!! Obama wins Massachusetts by 30 points, so keep dreaming or please I urge you all to move to Georgia lmao!!!

"Face it, he is the biggest liar there is. He has been running for president for 8 years for chrissakes and even republicans don't like him, no one does. "

Gee, the polls disagree with your assessment. :-)

Another flatulent rumswab with the IQ of Jethro Clampett. Maybe you can get together with BO do some ciphering and try an keep the deficit from hitting 25 Trillion! Two years of championing hope and change, three years of absolutely nothing (even though the first two years were with a Democratic Congress) except blaming the prevoius Administration, and this last year has been "How Can I Keep the Charade Moving Forward". He only needs to promise 50 million of something to buy votes with! The icing on his "Please go away and leave us the frig alone" cake will have a map of Libya. He bungled that thing up from the beginning. He looked straight in to the camera last night and LIED right to YOUR face. So much for thinking he could fluff it off until after the election. Not so fast me (un)friend!

You mean you were impressed with Obama's stumbling? He couldn't get a clear thought out of his mouth. Benghazzi is taking him down. And well deserved. Even all the CNN polls after the debate favored Romney on all issues. CNN for God sakes!

Seems like many listen to FAUX news to get their "facts". Mitt Romney uses gish gallop tactics to debate his opponent. It worked the first time but President Obama did not let him get away with his incessant lying the second time. The President won this debate. President Obama walked into the White house in the midst of an economic crisis and we were headed for a depression. (The Bush wars, tax cuts and deregulations turned a surplus into a $1 trillion deficit.) President Obama took decisive action to prevent the economic catastrophe. The stock market has doubled, regulations were put in place, auto industry was saved, jobs have been added every month of his presidency, unemployment is declining etc. President Obama is the first to say that there is much more work to do. The last thing we want to do is bring back the policies of the Bush era that got us into this mess in the first place - that is exactly what a vote for Romney will do. To say we need a businessman in the White House is naive. He has been very successful in creating low paying jobs and sending the jobs to low wage countries to maximize profits for himself. His goal is to privatize everything and maximize profits for himself and his cronies. Mitt Romney was severely conservative during the republican primaries to shore up the right wing base now he is trying to flip flop to a more moderate candidate, What does he stand for - who knows? The country is moving in the right direction. OBAMA12!

" The Bush wars, tax cuts and deregulations turned a surplus into a $1 trillion deficit. President Obama took decisive action to prevent the economic catastrophe."

Liz, the debt has increased in 4 years by 5.4 trillion and what do we have to show for it, failed energy companies by the billions, almost double gas and oil prices, increase in health insurance costs. Do you know what, we the people, have gained from the 5.4 trillion debt increase by this administration? My family has not been helped in any aspect of our lives, financially or otherwise and the country is more divided then ever with the constant class warfare precipitated by this president. The truth is that our country at the end of another 4 years with this president will change America forever and not for the good of the people.

I'm sorry, but how can you vote for someone who has such little regard for others. Romney's policies towards women are simply insulting to the entire female gender (and I'm a guy). Really, women in binders? Also, the fact that Romney favors families with two parents or guardians is just arrogant. I was the child of a single mother, but I don't feel at a disadvantage at all. I was an undecided voter, but after the last few weeks, I can only imagine voting for Obama.
On a side note, the name calling and radical claims on both sides is getting a little ridiculous. Obama is not a socialist, and Romney is not Satan. The KKK isn't running, and neither are valueless racists. I assume that we're all old enough to vote, so perhaps we should act like it. Just because someone else has differing political opinions does not necessarily make them some moronic anti-government citizen. Let's ease up on the rude comments;they really don't make you sound intellectual or informed.

Sweetheart, put your country FIRST that's why you should vote for Romney. B. Huissien Obama is bankrupting your country. What, you don't feel that's important?

Why is Mitt Romney's success such an issue? I for one would like to see a successful business man, as opposed to another attorney, running this country. The moderator cutting Romney off 29 times, and Obama only 8 times, was a disgrace to the handling of the debate.

I certainly do not blame President Obama for the current financial state of this country, that falls on congressional oversight, but I also do not think he is the answer. We need change, we need a business man, we need someone that can make tough decisions without worrying about their image of popularity.

At last the details on Romneys tax plan!

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

@Alison... How much do generic birth control pills cost? $3 a month at K-Mart? What responsible young woman who wants to be sexually active would not spent $3 a month to protect herself from the gruesome horrors of an abortion? Frankly, I think all forms of contraception should be free as well as the initial doctor's visit for women to see if they can tolerate the extra shot of hormones.

Romney is in no way against contraception. Private insurances have always paid for the prescriptions in my experience.

Who is the smallest government spender since Eisenhower -
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

Emcee, Your use of the word "Free" is way off basis and is precisely the problem with the healthcare argument. Nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it, you, me, business owners. Lets be clear on what you are saying is that you want the cost covered by insurance, not that it would be free, and that you want this cost distributed to everyone to cover.

I am a homeowner, a father, and a business owner. I have no desire to be mandated to pay for something that is a choice. Once an individual turns 18 they have the legal right to choose, and to vote. Let them choose to pay their own way. Let them choose to get a job, an education, and to be productive member of society.

@paul... "Is Romney going to send Washington D.C. to China?"

Well, what is the Obama plan? More of the same hemorrhaging?

I agree with you that no one man is going to turn this thing around, but let's at least try a new tack, stop the bleeding, give the thing a 30-degree turn. We have nothing to lose and all to gain by trying new ideas. We know what fails... we've seen it and frankly I don't want to see my food bill and heating bill and transportation bill and my tax bills (property and otherwise) go up any further. I can't take anymore of Obamaeconomics !!! I don't care if Romney makes me pay for my birth-control pills, or worked for Bain Capital ten years ago, or will stop subsidizing Big Bird, I want to eat and be warm this winter.

I wish someone stood up and asked the candidates point blank "how much is a gallon of milk?" I wonder if either could answer.

Has anyone noticed the price of a gallon of apple cider this year? Or the 4 lb bag of sugar? Or the introduction of canned goods that are smaller? Watch closely those unit prices!

Why is the black guy expected to fix in four years the mess the white guy created in eight years??

"No one disputes that Romney is a successful businessman. He made a fortune outsourcing jobs to low wage countries - good for him - bad for America."

Liz, sometimes talking points get in the way of facts. Romney did not outsource jobs when he was CEO of Bain Capitol. Were you aware that Jeffrey Immelt, chief executive of GE and the head of Barack Obama's "Jobs Council" in 2011 started moving GE infrastructure to China and laid off 105,000 workers in the US. Why would the president choose a CEO of one of the largest companies, if not the largest, to head his Job's Council when Immelt is outsourcing infrastructure and jobs oversees?
In regards to the president" representing the future with equal rights" to all, the Constitution gives all citizens equal rights and opportunities, they have not been bestowed upon us by this president. :-(

@paul... "...Obama will not let you freeze or starve."

Sez who? He hasn't cared yet.

Wendy, so what you are saying is that Romney did what was best for the company he was running? Good for him. As President he will be empowered to do what is best for the country he is running.

Paul L. race has no bearing on this discussion.

Emcee I am a straight shooter. I have 2 young sons, 10 nieces and nephews under the age of 25 and many still in school. I do not feel that paying for college level education is the responsibility of the Fed or a birth right. Your family should handle this and plan for it. It is possible for every family to send their children to college providing they are planning for it at birth.

Lets be clear about the "caring factor" neither of them really care. They care about their legacy not about us as individuals. Katydid is spot on with her comment. "In regards to the president" representing the future with equal rights" to all, the Constitution gives all citizens equal rights and opportunities, they have not been bestowed upon us by this president."

"so what you are saying is that Romney did what was best for the company he was running? Good for him. As President he will be empowered to do what is best for the country he is running."

Do you really think he will tell businesses not to outsource jobs because not outsourcing is what's best for the country?

Or do you think that outsourcing is what's best for the country?

Wendy, I am not qualified to answer that question but will say this. I do think that outsourcing on some level is not only acceptable but a necessity. This is a global economy and just like MA is part the USA the USA is part of the World as a whole. If outsourcing creates growth in other countries thus improving the economy of that country and creating more of a global middle class then Yes I think we should outsource on some level.

Do we know who financed the "protest" in Attleboro? The one with mispelled signs? No time to look for jobs though :)

Wendy: There is also the theory that Obama believes the United States as a whole is the 1% and his priority is to make sure our wealth is globally redistributed. Maybe that's why he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for doing ZERO.

I think the awarding of the prize to the EU is more evidence of a global agenda that could care less about the plight of middle class Americans.

@Wendy...

The cost of food and housing and utilities and taxes has been rising ever since I have been the one paying the bills. Incomes have risen also so it's been somewhat of a washout. However, in the past four years, costs have exploded. Gasoline and heating fuel in 2008 was a buck and a half, give or take. Now it's $3.50 give or take. Price for an apple might have been 25 cents, today it's 75 cents.

You can tap dance around the issues forever and blame Romney for whatever is the blame-du-jour, the reality is we cannot afford another four years of Obama. Obama is literally killing the middle class as well as destroying our society. Crime is up... I've never heard of as many bank robberies and shop lifting and murders over nothing, as has been going on. Everything is eroding.

Romney is a wealthy man and has choices. He doesn't need to take on this thankless job of president. He has nothing to gain by it except perhaps the satisfaction of making/restoring the U.S. to a better place to live in for his grandchildren and everyone elses.

Wendy, there is no one who has outsourced more jobs than our president. Even the head of his "Jobs Council" has moved more jobs from this country than he created. Immelt cancelled an order to Wind Turbine in order to get cheaper parts from China, cutting jobs to that company.
2.4 billion battery production mostly going to foreign firms
8.5 billion to wind farms oversees loss of 10,0000 jobs
880 million tax credits clean energy foreign firms
2.7 billion loan guarantee to Spanish Co. Abenoga
337 million to Arizona solar plant in which the panels were supplied by a Chinese manufacturing company.

President Obama has done little with taxpayers money to create jobs for Americans. The above mentioned stimulus is just the tip of the iceberg. Today the jobless claims surged to 388,000. You can believe that the economy is improving but until the coorate tax rate is lowered and regulations are decreased for companies, encouraging businesses to hire, as Romney advocates, jobs will continue to be sent oversees and we will continue on a downward spiral of further loss of jobs...truth not talking points.

"Romney is a wealthy man and has choices. He doesn't need to take on this thankless job of president. He has nothing to gain by it except perhaps the satisfaction of making/restoring the U.S. to a better place to live in for his grandchildren and everyone elses". Romney has one goal and one goal only, to add "President of the United States" to his resume. BTW, you seem to be blaming Obama for the increase in the cost of food, etc. Why aren't you blaming him for the increase in the population of the country also. BTW, the only jobs a President can create are government jobs. They can't create jobs in the private sector, They can, however, improve the
economic environment. But that doesn't mean companies have to hire. So for either to say they will create 12 million new jobs it seems that the draft will be reinstated.

Hey WW, I lived in MA all my life and NEVER heard Mitt play the race/Mormon/class warfare card. Where did you come up with this crap, Kos, moveon, or what hate site?

Just in on Drudge: Gallop poll R 52% - O 45%
Looks like the beginning of the end for our accidental Pres. The least qualified president in history B. Huissien Obama.

PS to Wendy of Attl- you may want to check out these 3 shortest books on Amazon.com. they are.

"Things I accomplished to win the Noble Peace Prize", by B. Huissuen Obama

"Black women I have dated", by Tiger Woods.

"Successfull diets by", by Michael Moore

All I can say is to all you Obama haters here, TUFF!!! Move to Georgia where you'll feel comfortable among your own fox brainwashed kind. This is OBAMA country and we outnumber you by more than 5-1. Take your half baked unsupported ridiculous tea party policies and ideas down south with you too. Obama won the debate, he will win the next one Monday too, he will win the election, and then you can all cry me a river. Obama is right in what he wants to do with this country and our direction and to deny that is simply just silly. Doing what republicans want to do with our country is what led us to where we are now. Yea more tax cuts for the rich who don't create any jobs, and oil companies who made record profits and continue to do so. How about investing some of that money into education, basically investing in ourselves and our and our childrens future. I am so sick of hearing about the deficit, face it we will always have one whether it's ten dollars or a trillion dollars. The only time we didn't was under a democrat named Clinton, certainly not a republican that's for sure.

LMAO!!!! Drudge a reliable source ahahahahaha!!!!

Wait, I thought I read here that the Brown/Coakley election proved that all polls were rigged by Democrats and the liberal media, and nobody should ever listen to them?

And what about HR-4646...status, 1% tax on bank transactions. Google a search.

Kevin feel free to live in the middle east with your hero

Dan Devine....I'm gullible?....let's see what happens if Romney is voted in...you think it's bad now! Katydid...I think you know exactly what I'm talking about. Equal pay for women and control over our healthcare. Considering Republicans are so against government control it's kind of hypocritical. ANY sane intelligent woman would never vote for Romney!

Everybody should check this out.
<http://youtu.be/3h8O7V-WxWQ>; http://youtu.be/3h8O7V-WxWQ

Paul L, Obama had a majority house & senate 1st two years in office.....republicans couldn't "veto" anything

@Wendy Wagner - I had already checked those websites for it.

With the healthcare bill and the 21 news taxes that go with it, and the 16,000+ IRS tax agents to be hired to "police" the new 21 taxes/healthcare related, there were many little *surprises* tucked into that Obamacare/Pelosi-healthcare bill....so called Affordable Care Act.

With the continued rumor(s) on the HR-4646, and whether or not it really does exist....if you or anyone else finds something more credible, then feel free to post it and let some of us Patchies read through it. Appreciate it.

"Romney is voted in...you think it's bad now! Katydid...I think you know exactly what I'm talking about. Equal pay for women and control over our healthcare."

Susan, in 2009 the White House women made $.89 for every dollar a man made. In 2011 in the Report of White House Salaries submitted to Congress, there is a $11,000 difference between the female employe salary and the male. The median salary for woman was $60,000 and male $70,000. Why doesn't the White House support the Lilly Ledbetter Law which the president was proud to sign.. Further, what women is not in charge of her health care? It was proposed in the health care bill that mammogram screenings were not necessary every year and not before age 40...concern for women's health and equal pay, I think not.

http://2012election.procon.org/view.source.election.php?sourceID=11134
http://2012election.procon.org/view.source.election.php?sourceID=11142

Perhaps these can clear some issues up. Remember, this is a DEMOCRAT and a REPUBLICAN running. Not a socialist and a mormon vigilante. Also, D.B., why do you keep referring to the president as B. Huissuen Obama?Are you trying to portray him as another Saddam Hussein? If you're trying to paint that kind of image based on a name, I don't think you have the right to call yourself an "informed voter." The man's name is Barack Obama. And, if you do want to use his middle name, spell it right. It's Hussein. If you researched anything you might have caught that awhile ago :)

Clearly people believe what they want to believe. Mitt Romney lies incessantly - some see through the him - some don't. I'll go with the guy who is working hard - despite GOP obstructionist congress - to move this country in the right direction. Just having Limbaugh, Beck, Rove, Norquist, Palin, Bachman and FAUX news on your team should be enough to vote for the other guy but sadly people believe the propaganda they and the teabaggers spew. Obama was taken off guard by Mitt Romney's complete change in his campaign agenda during the first debate. The right wing severely conservative Mitt persona wasn't working so he pivoted to the new Moderate Mitt. When will the real Mitt Romney stand up. President Obama was better prepared to deal with the lies the second time and he won. OBAMA12!

@Wendy Wagner - Do you think I am going to get my information from Snopes? Do you?

You can accuse anyone of almost anything and hope it is believed but it's the truth and the facts that really count. Saying someone lies "incessantly" are just words, not facts to back up words. :-(

Well Another Romney lie bites the dust - ----

WTO hands Obama victory in U.S.-China steel case

The World Trade Organization barred China on Thursday from imposing duties on certain U.S. steel exports, siding with U.S. President Barack Obama in a dispute with Beijing over a type of steel made in two election battleground states. The case involved duties imposed by China on "grain-oriented electrical steel," which is used in the cores of high-efficiency transformers, electric motors and generators. The steel is made by AK Steel Corp of Ohio and ATI Allegheny Ludlum of Pennsylvania.

The President has won every WTO battle so far and this is the most recent win this week!

The biggest lie here or any where was that Barry was ever qualified if the first place to be Pres of my country. ANYONE even the MOONBATS who looks at this with an open mind would realize he's not qualified to run a popsicle stand. Just the facts ma'am.

But I'm not holding my breath for any MOONBAT to look at anything open minded.

Believe what you want to believe - but I'd say the guy has done a pretty great job! OBAMA12!
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

Romnesia......can be helped!

http://youtu.be/sNGZil616ug

"We've got to name this condition that he's going through," Obama said, referring to Mitt Romney's attempt to undergo a last-minute transformation from a severe conservative to a severe moderate. "I think it's called Romnesia. That's what it's called. I think that's what he's going through."

"Now," he continued, "I'm not a medical doctor, but i do want to go over the symptoms with you—because i want to make sure nobody else catches it."

And what might those symptoms be? Here's one example: "You know if you say if you're for equal pay, but you can't say if you'll sign a bill for equal pay, you might have Romnesia." And: "If you say you think women should have access to contraceptive care, but you support legislation that would let employers deny contraceptive care, you might have Romnesia." And another: "If you say you you'll protect a woman's right to choose, but you stand up in a primary debate and say you'd be delighted to ban abortion in all cases, then you definitely have Romnesia."

But you don't need to worry, said the President. "If you have Romnesia, here's the good news—Obamacare covers preexisting conditions. We can fix you! We can make you well."

It's a perfectly normal comment.

Stand up for moms

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=C5Y7x2vuLvw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DC5Y7x2vuLvw

Smart voters will vote Republican and conservative in order for real progress to be made. The question is, are we as a country better off now than we were four years ago? For the intelligent voter the answer is no. For the non intelligent liberals who support Obama like sheep the answer is yes, to that my answer for the liberals is step out of that CNN-Obama socialist bubble and vote for real progress with Romney/Ryan

Well for one brief moment I was insulted by your comment but then realized insults are a way of life for the Republican base. We cannot go back in time to the Bush era policies that got us into this mess in the first place. This is not your daddy's Republican Party.

Pretty funny...LOL

http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2012/10/17/obama_at_hofstra_relatively_alert_ergo_big_winner/page/2

Liz,
Wake up from that liberal bubble! Taxing and spending our money on the illegals and the freeloaders with EBT cards who abuse the welfare system is bad economic policy for the U.S. That's Obama's America, not the America that the citizens of this great nation want. The Bush era policies worked and people had jobs, unemployment was low, it was the liberal policies of Reid, Pelosi, and Barack Obama that have gotten us into this mess. Typical non-intelligent liberals always blame Bush and he's been out of office how many years???

The credit markets ground to a halt because of people such as Barney Frank and the whole Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac fiasco. Credit markets also ground to a halt because the banks were lending money to people who and are not credit worthy because they had a minimum wage McDonalds salary, this practice had been going on since the Clinton Administration. During President Bush's Term, the unemployment rate was 5.3 percent. Also during Mr. Bush's term his policies pulled us out of the recession of 2001 and because of his policies, the country managed 6 straight years of uninterrupted economic growth and a record 52 straight months of job creation. Can't say the same for President Obama.

Salt Lake Paper - ENDORSES OBAMA - That's gotta hurt the ROM-BOT!

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/romney-obama-state-president.html.csp

Excerpt:

In considering which candidate to endorse, The Salt Lake Tribune editorial board had hoped that Romney would exhibit the same talents for organization, pragmatic problem-solving and inspired leadership that he displayed here more than a decade ago. Instead, we have watched him morph into a friend of the far right, then tack toward the center with breathtaking aplomb. Through a pair of presidential debates, Romney’s domestic agenda remains bereft of detail and worthy of mistrust.

Therefore, our endorsement must go to the incumbent, a competent leader who, against tough odds, has guided the country through catastrophe and set a course that, while rocky, is pointing toward a brighter day. The president has earned a second term. Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first.

WHAM!

I can hear it now: Must be non-intelligent liberals who somehow stumbled into publishing Utah’s largest newspaper. Probably benefitted from that robust GW Bush economy.

Frank,
President Bush's policies pulled us out of the recession of 2001. Romney should point to the fact that the Bush tax cuts worked and provided us with 6 straight years of uninterrupted economic growth and a record 52 straight months of job creation. The Depression which began in 2007 and 2008 had more to do with the mere fact that Mr. Bush had to compromise with the liberal socialists such as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in order to get anyhting done. Had the Congress and Senate been under Republican control during Bush's full 8 years in office, we'd be talking about low unemployment, a balanced budget, and a surplus. I put the blame of the Great Recession/Depression on the liberal democrats in Congress and the Senate from 2007 until now and in the White House from 2009 and current. Another thing to consider, there hasn't been a budget passed in 4 years of the Obama administration, at least under President Bush, there was.

So it was a heck of a party while it lasted, let’s forget the wicked hangover/alcohol poisoning at the end...because it really wasn’t Bush’s fault, there are so many other factors, so many others to blame. But EVERYTHING happening now is the President’s fault. Socialists!!!C ommunistis!!! Liberals!!!! Ack!!! Ack!!! Ack!!!
Sorry, I just don’t follow. I guess I must be as stoopid as you claim everyone who doesn’t agree with your screeds is.

Frank,
You are a typical liberal and would rather blame George W. Bush for everything and ignore the fact that we are a country that is in 16 Trillion dollars of debt, is that Bush's fault too?? Oh yeah, wait, Obama has been President for the last 4 years.

DB I find it impossible to read your comments and take them seriously when you clearly have a level of ignorance that makes me sick. President Barack Obama is our commander and chief and I find the way you misrepresent his name offensive. He was duly elected to lead this country and you should respect that. It is non bipartisan attitudes and thinking such as yours that undermine the democratic process and close minds of those around you. I have yet to read a single comment of yours that contains factual or productive information.

This platform is for all of us to express our views and hopefully sway the other side to vote in line with us, either for Romney or Obama.

For the record I am a Romney supporter and a Republican.

Frankie and Paul, once again I'll splain this, it was NOT the entire economy, it was just banking and real estate, OK? Apple, Exxon, ATT, McD's, Merck, PhilipMorris, Boeing, ect ect ect ect ect ect, were NEVER in trouble. You write 2 TRILLION, (that's $2,000,000,000,000 if you want to see the zero's) of bad RE loans, thank you Barney Frank, and trust me, bad things will happen.
I commend you on either your sense of humor, or state of denile (a river in Egypt) that when college grads are facing 30% to 50% unemployment, depending on who you believe, that things are even remotely better. Unemployment would be close to 17%, if they used the same metrics as the 1930's (ie no 4.4mil on crazy pills, no 11mil on welfare, no 14mil not looking for work and the list goes on and on and on).

BTW Frankie and Paul,
The auto industry always was able to sell cars by the tens of millions, they just never made money, it was their pension liability that doomed them. Ax Frankie, I remember 7 yrs ago having 2 JPMorgan senior VP's telling me GM had to go bankrupt to shed it's cost's. The exact phase they used was GM had "a slow motion bomb inside it".
Just open your minds and see that Barry is the least qualified Pres in the entire HISTORY of the country. He's NEVER employed one person, NEVER wrote a single payroll check, NEVER worked at a single company that made a nickel. On second thought I'm insulting the little girl down the road who made a 5 bucks at the popsicle stand.
You two should do what's best for the country, not who gives you the most free stuff!!!

What are you talking about. Apple stock fell to $88 per share during the crash, this summer it hit over $700 thanks to President Obama. Now it is Barney Frank's doing................ by the way, who are you voting for?

DB I do agree in general. I don't blame Obama for this mess. No one man has that kind of power. My reasoning behind not supporting him isn't because I am tea party nut job, I just don't think that he can get the job done.

Mitt Romney may have outsourced jobs and I am ok with that. I am also ok with politicians that change tactics. That is called adapting. We need someone who isn't so narrow minded and stubborn. What we need are politicians that can put there party's agenda to the side when bipartisan cooperation is necessary. Scott Brown has voted with his own party 60% of the time and the other 40% he voted to get something accomplished. We need the same with our next President and my hopes are that it will be Mitt Romney.

To everyone commenting here, keep the info coming and keep it factual and accurate. There are those of us out here that appreciate the information as knowledge is power regardless of our views.

Paul,
and it was $9.09 when Bush took office!!! Thanks for proving my point, AAPL was never in trouble. I'm voting for Romney, he was not my first choice however.

PS, I hope everyone bought some, sold mine @$590.00 a share, I know, I know, should have held a little longer.

" President Obama walked into the White house in the midst of an economic crisis and we were headed for a depression. (The Bush wars, tax cuts and deregulations turned a surplus into a $1 trillion deficit."
Between Jan.3, 2007 and Jan.3, 2009 the Congress was controlled by Democrats. Congress holds the purse strings, they are responsible for finances and budgets. They including then Senator Obama spent the SURPLUS... THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY... I rest my case.

Well if you want to live in an oligarchy where the rich get richer by whatever means that is your choice. Romney does have the support of very wealthy people like the Koch brothers (watch Koch brothers exposed) and Adelson (Israel is his passion). Other than not increasing taxes on the rich and privatizing everything so the rich can keep getting richer - I have no idea what Romney stands for but maybe the brilliant Republicans can point that out. Adapting to change is one thing as someone pointed out - flip flopping on a daily basis is another - but I guess he hopes we don't notice. I prefer to live in a democracy where and yes I am quoting President Obama "where we all have a fair chance and we all play by the same rules". Historically we have been a country where we help others in need. Apparently that is a bad thing for some people. Regulations have been restored in an effort to crack down on fraud and abuse of the financial system. If you prefer to deregulate so fraud and corruption can be restored well vote for Romney. If you like war - vote for Romney. If you want your taxes increased to pay for tax breaks for the wealthy - well vote for Romney. Romney represents profits for himself over people. If you want to continue to give oil companies billions in subsidies - vote for Romney. The notion that his business experience will somehow help this country and trickle down is delusional. That's all - off to campaign for OBAMA12!

Businesses are the key to hiring and lowering unemployment. Tax breaks for businesses will create job growth. Obamacare will stunt job growth. I wonder why they chose January 2013 for it to come in to full effect? Businesses, often owned by millionaires, will avoid hiring to offset the added tax and insurance costs. You can thank Obama for that.

Big oil will make the money either way. If you take the tax breaks away they will pass the cost on to the consumer. They have us by the balls and there is nothing we can do about it, but, think of it this way. We, the USA, pays less than half for gas than most other countries. If you want to eliminate tax breaks for oil head to Canada and fill your tank or heat your home, lets see how you feel then.

Millionaires and Billionaires have learned how to work the tax system to maximize profits, that is their job and responsibility to share holders, stop hating on them and realize that a profitable business is good for the economy.

Obama has crushed small businesses over the past 4 years. Hiring is at an all time low. 7.8% unemployment reports are a joke and not mathematically possible. It is a skewed number that is offset by seasonal and underemployed individuals. Talk to me in February and lets see with this countries unemployment rate stands.

There is no FREE health care for all. Someone will pay and what Obamacare has created is a system where the few pay for the many.

I don't hate anyone - that is an emotion reserved for the extremists. I don't understand the wealthy or their need for money. When is enough enough. Healthcare in this country is broken - can it be attributed to greed and excess? Maybe. Is the American Healthcare act or Obamacare/Romneycare the answer - maybe not but it is a start. Under Romney's new plan (he supported Romneycare until it became Obamacare) don't worry if you don't have insurance - just go to the emergency room - the most expensive way to get healthcare - and who absorbs that cost? No one on this planet can convince me that Romney (who has been running for President forever) is the right man to take this country in the right direction. Which Mitt Romney will show up to the debate on Monday - Severely conservative Mitt to appeal to the extemists? Moderate Mitt to appeal to the undecided? Maybe there will be a Liberal Mitt to try to pander to the Democrats. So many personalities - he has the best acting coach money can buy I am sure. See you all after the debate Monday. Go Obama!

@Wendy... "If there is increased demand, because the middle class has more money in their pockets, ..."

That seems to have been the problem, even with gigantic stimulus packages and bail outs and taxpayer investments in places like Solyndra, the middle class worker hasn't seen an abundance of disposable income. After four years of Obama economics we've seen a terrible inflation in the cost of gasoline and heating fuels and food and medical care. It's scary to think of what the next four years will bring because Obama doesn't seem to have a plan other than to go forward with the plan that is barely working.

What you describe would probably work under optimum conditions, but we are not in that place. We need to approach the problem from a different direction with different minds at work. If, after four years, things are not better under Romney, then he gets the boot. But, to me, it's worth the try with someone else.

Romney/Ryan 2012

"Frankie and Paul, once again I'll splain this, it was NOT the entire economy, it was just banking and real estate..."

Exactly, and it was the Democrats who voted against any regulation of Fannie and Freddie. They refused to accept the fact that both were failing. Now we have a president who continues to blame the Bush Administration for the collapse of the housing market and worse, then Senator Obama, also voted against stricter regulations. The facts always trump the spin.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Yga7TlsA-1A&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYga7TlsA-1A

Wendy you have lost the concept of outsourcing, which is what companies will do when demand rises.

I also don't think redistribution of wealth is a good plan for a government to get out of debt. Increase in growth domestic product is what this country needs most. Upgrades to infrastructure would lower the unemployment rate and stimulate the economy. Investing government funds, which is borrowed from somewhere, in companies like GM is a huge mistake. The funds should have been used for capital improvement projects thus creating jobs, study some history here people. FDR would be disgusted with congress right now. If this country wants to spend money that it does not have it will never get out of debt.

I thought my Obama files comment was funny but then again I am a Republican. For the record I am also a business owner.

"Wendy you have lost the concept of outsourcing, which is what companies will do when demand rises."

See, I was thinking about small businesses there. I was discussing this with a family friend who owns a custom car repair business. She claimed regulations and taxes on small businesses were too much and she couldn't afford to hire new workers. But I told her I thought if she had more business than she could handle, she would certainly hire more workers. She can't exactly outsource; many small businesses can't. And they're the engine, I'm told, that drives the American economy.

I agree with you about investing stimulus money into infrastructure, by the way. I think we have done that a bit. I can't tell you how many road and bridge projects I see going on around here. But there should be more.

In an effort to debunk some misinformation that keeps getting repeated over and over again, I will located post some clear argue-free facts that I hope will kill the misinformaton or at least debunk it once and for all......starting with the false Republican narrative that President Obama should have gotten more done during his first two years in office because he had a super-majority in the Senate. A super-majority is a filibuster-proof 60 or more Senate seats, allowing one party to pass legislation without votes from the other. Don't forget: the President needed a super-majority because of the Republicans' unprecedented use of the filibuster as an obstruction tactic - they've used it more than 400 times so far. That exceeds all congresses in history...even during the turbulent 60's. There actually wasn’t a two year super-majority.
This timeline shows the facts:
President Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009 with just 58 Senators to support hisagenda. He should have had 59, but Republicans contested Al Franken's election in Minnesota and he didn't get seated for seven months. (continued)

One more fact to place regarding the deficit - As of Oct 5th, 2012, "The federal government’s fiscal year 2012 has come to a close, and CBO estimates, in the Monthly Budget Review, that the federal budget deficit for the year was about $1.1 trillion, approximately $200 billion lower than the shortfall recorded in 2011. The 2012 deficit was equal to 7.0 percent of gross domestic product, CBO estimates, down from 8.7 percent in 2011, 9.0 percent in 2010, and 10.1 percent in 2009, but greater than in any other year since 1947

Link:
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43656

The CBO is NON PARTISAN and is used regulary by both parties. The $300 Billion reduction to the $1.4 Trillion budget deficit that Obama inherited, while rather modest, is still an improvement considering the slow steady process of the recovery and the blistering unmoving opposition to other valuable legislation being held up in Congress to stimulate more job creation.

So now we know the deficit and where it is currently - so can we keep that clear going forward?

Thank you Darren. Sad that grown men representing this country met on Inauguration nIght to set in motion their agenda to block every effort to support this President to the detriment of those who elected them to office. Those present? Ryan/McConnell/Cantor. Check the voting record of the do nothing Congress. Simply passing the American Jobs Act would have created jobs improved infrastructure etc. but who are we talking to here. You know who wins if Romney is elected - 2% wealthy Americans who think we don't need or want government in the first place. You know who wins when Obama's re-elected? The middle class, seniors, minorities, women, gays, veterans, teachers, students, fire fighters, first responders, police, immigrants, the uninsured etc etc etc. Obama12!

I am a Veteran, and a Romney supporter, and don't feel that electing Obama will benefit me or my military brothers at all. I have friends that are Senior NCO's and leaving the service because of Obama. I have friends that are Fireman and first line responders and they have not benefited over the past 4 years. I also don't think 4 years is much time to accomplish your goals

Passing the Jobs Act would not have helped this country. It would have created short term underpaid jobs based on unsustainable financial reform. Obama would have looked good for a few years and left yet another mess for a future administration to handle.

I may be a Romney supporter but regardless of who walks away with this election I will support them. They will be our duly elected President and Commander in chief. This country needs to take on a non-partisan approach to government. Forget bi-partisan and stop being so stubborn. This is our democratic process and for better or worse it has placed us at the head of the world. When we wake up on November 7th and step out the door lets do it together. A country divided is a failed country, as with any company, military, or community.

I am a Veteran (disabled), a business owner, husband, father (small children), home owner, and most of all an American.

Liz if you believe that crap you are spewing you are smoking crack. Did any of the 2% you mention benefit from the Obama administration? Of course they did. Where did all the money from the bail outs go? Where did the money for the election campaigns come from. You know it wasn't the "middle class". I am a member of the middle class and my life isn't any better after the last four years. The President hasn't lived up to the promises he made during his campaign and our economy has seen anemic gains if any at all. Two of my kids graduated from college since he was elected. Gee I seem to remember the president saying he was going to make college more affordable for them. The government assumed their student loans at a miniscule 8% interest. I get to carry one of my kids loan payments while the other I have to assist financially because he lives and works in Boston and can't make enough to survive with a BA in Science. Maybe we should have changed our citizenship to another county and come back illegally so they could get cheap or free tuition. All politicians are in it for their own personal agendas and we are all just pawns in the game. If you believe we are headed in the right direction then step forward the the front of the line and be first to drink the koolaid.

I have a questions and if anyone is able to give a detailed fact supported answer I would appreciate it.

What is the middle class? (not looking for ridiculous response. I am looking for the answer in the views of our government)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pib3TDqGoCk&feature=relmfu

I think these people get it in the video Steve - I dont think there is an official government

Your candidate defined the middle class at $200+ K which I think shows that he is out of touch......his words not mine or media....

This article touches on Mitt but it also mentions on median income and other analysis by the Tax Policy center and others....

My opinion - Middle Class is $50k to 120k (single or Joint) => just a guess - you are going to have o do some googling of your own if you want something exact

http://www.salon.com/2012/09/14/mitt_romney_defines_middle_income_as_200_250000/

OK last comment before the next debate. I get that people want to vote for Romney because he is not President Obama or the economy isn't recovering fast enough or Mitt Romney is a successful businessman. I just don't get what Romney stands for other than he is not President Obama and he will promise the world on Day 1 to get elected. Maybe I have followed the campaigns too closely over the past year and have become mired in details. It is interesting that those at the top who have figured out how to game the system are brilliant while others are considered moochers. Mitt Romney is simply out of touch with reality. He defines the middle class as $250K or above. He says we can all take tax deductions from a bucket of deductions worth $25K or above. People believe what they want to believe but I believe that President Obama is heading in the right direction. He needs to define his vast number of accomplishments and his path to continued success better so we can all understand. Hopefully he will find a way to do that before it is too late. Turn off Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and FAUX news.

Please do not use profanity in your posts. That includes masked profanity. Thank you.

Apparently, somebody doesn’t know had to play nicely and had to take a time out...If your arguments are sound, why do you have to badger people who disagree with you?

Frank, for the record I am a construction manager and consultant so I do understand the industry as I have been working in it for almost 20 years. We do all have friends that drive our information and opinion so taking my comments seriously or not is always a choice. What I base my decision making on is the facts as I see and understand them.

I am a big fan of to much information and find everyone's opinion valuable, maybe not of equal value, but never the less there is value what we see and hear.

Thank you all for the input on middle class. I certainly do not believe anyone making over $150k a year should be considered middle class, as an individual.

Darren I would have to agree that the middle class appears to be more in line with your numbers. "My" candidate as you state is unfortunately not in the running. As much as I like President Obama I just don't have the confidence that he can get it done, so I am going with Romney. He would not have even been on my list of candidates I would like to see running for office, but that is a conversation for 2016.

I do not believe that the middle class is $50k or below, Liz. " Turn off Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and FAUX news." all of these media outlets have failed us over the past years with their biased coverage and misinformation. I do not watch them and base my decisions on their information.

Good class warfare talk. Also we have 5 straight comments on an erased post. No one knows who said what.

I think middle class is way more than simple income. It also has to encompass debt, assets, and lifestyle. I don't see myself being anything other than middle class, but we currently have practically no debt and decent incomes and a mostly paid-off house, and I feel like we have a lot of disposable income and economic security relative to how we used to live. I think what I have is what a lot of people hope the middle class will be like, but instead, so many people who make decent incomes are one crisis away from financial armageddon. I lived that way for the first 15 years of my marriage.

Chavez, Castro, Putnin, all endorse B H Obama.

NUFF SAID

a lot of people are closer to financial armageddon than they think. Lose a job, have a car accident, get cancer--and life changes in an instant.

I grew up with working class parents (my dad was a carpenter) in a small working-class town. The good thing was the connections between people. There was more of a sense of community and giving back. Most people served on a town board, or taught Sunday School, or served in some way.

Wendy, I agree living on the edge is no way to live. My son and his wife (two children) have never had the chance to get ahead and live one paycheck away from not being able to pay the mortgage, have no health insurance, etc. They live near Raleigh NC where there's a lot of tech work. They are good people and work hard but it's hard for this generation to get and hold onto work.

That's why I support the Affordable Healthcare Act. No one should have to bankrupt themselves to pay for a catastrophic illness. In my work in healthcare I've seen how dysfunctional today's medical care system is. We in the US pay twice as much as first world countries in Europe and our medical outcomes are nowhere near as good as theirs. We in the US can be egotistical and shout 'We're Number 1' but we'd be blinding ourselves to the reality that more can be done with less money.

it doesn't stop at our borders. Other nations took up the sketchy, dangerous loan practices/derivatives/Ponzi schemes of US banks and drove their nations into recession. We need to regulate the US banks and keep this from happening again. Businesses need to adhere to ethical standards and not be run by conmen.

Wendy, If a majority of the US military supports The Big O, why have the Obamabots dragged their feet mailing them absentee ballots ?

Romney has big lead over Obama among military veterans
A new Gallup poll shows Mitt Romney leading President Obama by 24 points among military veterans, essentially accounting for Obama's 'gender gap' among men.

Hey Babe, Romney has a HUGE lead among vets. Let's talk reality here OK, why would men and women who are swore to protect the country be voting for someone so determined on bankrupting it. That would be counter productive, would it not?
I mean you don't need my PHD in common sense to understand that I hope.

Romney has big lead over Obama among military veterans
A new Gallup poll shows Mitt Romney leading President Obama by 24 points among military veterans, essentially accounting for Obama's 'gender gap' among men.

Hey Babe, Romney has a HUGE lead among vets. Let's talk reality here OK, why would men and women who are swore to protect the country be voting for someone so determined on bankrupting it. That would be counter productive, would it not?
I mean you don't need my PHD in common sense to understand that I hope.

I'm sorry, but I cannot take anything you say seriously anymore. "Hey, Babe" ??? Really? Now we're resorting to talking down to women? I thought your ignorant nicknames were bad, but that just takes the cake. Congratulations on losing your credibility. Call me what you want, I know you fancy the name "Moonbats" but at least I can call myself informed. It appears to me that you have absolutely no idea what has been happening during the last four years, if not more.
Moonbats for Obama 2012!

Imagine if Hillary Clinton were the Democratic nominee in 2016. The spew of misogyny from the Right would be endless. Misogyny runs deep in our nation and world.
Anon. thanks for your post. DB recently addressed another woman as "Sweetheart" so there's a pattern here. It's harassment. Call it what it is. Bullying and harassment are all to common from the Republicans. Romney looking down his nose at Obama when he criticizes Obama for not calling the Libyan raid a "terrorist act for two weeks." And Candy Crowley fact checking him and then Fox News spewing their outrage against Crowley. Nobody likes a bully. DB, convince us with the intelligence of your argument or shut up. You drag down the level of discourse here.
It wasn't so long ago a man like Obama would be put down by calling him "boy." Shall we go back to those days DB?

They already do by substituting words as a meme for te words they really think or want desperately to call the president (i.e. uppity) - but one thing about this President - they can heap it on but he never backs down and keeps his head on leading the country...they will never get to him f=despite the visceral hate!

Wendy - earlier you posted about a business ..a small car shop that felt overtaxed and over regulated - I thought about that and I see no regulation or tax that adversely hurts small businesses - The ACA only applies if you have 15 o more employees but you can stil have any discounts/incentives even without the 15 employees - The President reduced taxes for small businesses 18 times so please if you don't mind tell us more - if this person is getting hurt....i wonder if they fall between a crack somewhere? I am truly curious...and thanks !!!

BTW you two just want to make me puke, playing the race card every freaking day. I've given 10's of thousands (more actually) to minority schools, you two probably don't even work.

Mitt Romney is ot of touch with Americans.....

http://youtu.be/WyQYGAWm_r4

Congratulations on your donations, but I don't think that makes a difference as to who won the Presidential debate. Also, I'd like to point out that this is the Easton Patch, not some leftist underground organization. If you're getting sick over a political disagreement, I suggest you take your tens of thousands of dollars (more actually) someplace else. I don't have a problem with Romney supporters, or Republicans for that matter, but I have a serious problem with rude, ignorant people who feel the need to talk down to others. I'll have you know that I do work, but even if I didn't it shouldn't matter. That's the beauty of the American democracy system; every citizen has an equal vote. Sorry, but no matter how much of a philanthropist or hard worker you are, you will never have the right to personally attack someone else's beliefs or talk down to them, for that matter.

Ok really last comment until the debate tonight. With all due respect to the Veterans of the United States - who I admire and commend for your service, I am concerned that the GOP desire to increase military spending means more war. In my humble opinion - I think this country has seen enough war. President Obama supports ending the wars, bringing our men and women home, and supporting them when they get here. Support is a different form of government spending - I believe - and hopefully everyone can agree that this is money well spent. President Obama has ended the war in Iraq, is winding down the war in Afghanistan (Bush era, Bush unfunded) and brought Osama bin Laden to justice. The Middle East is in turmoil and some would say we need to intervene - I surely don't have the answer but we certainly have our own issues to deal with and it would be great to take the money we have spent on war to grow our own economy. I do not understand those who hate us and why they feel the need to hurt us but I guess that is a reality that must be the most difficult issue for the President of the United States/Commander in chief - to face. I believe that President Obama has been a stoic confident leader. For this reason alone, he has my vote. Haters - find another forum.

Liz... I could be wrong, but you don't listen. You only hear what you want to hear. I believe Romney said he would Not cut the military budget, not that he would increase it. Please correct me if I'm wrong and I will apologize. Good luck tonight to the Liar Barack!

DB you are of no value to this conversation and I find your use of derogatory terms offensive. First it was towards the duly elected President and now towards women. What the hell is wrong with you? You should stop "helping" as most of what you say, and the way you phrase it, makes me want to vote against you; and I am for Republican.

Darren, most of your posts are clear and you sight good sources but I would ask this. Are most CEO's not out of touch with the middle and lower class? Does Romney's lack of intimate knowledge with the middle and lower class make him unable to lead this country?

President Obama has not been a stoic confident leader. He goes around appeasing all the muslims as well appeasing Russia with all the cuts in our Military. We need a leader who will not appease anyone. We need a President who will make our Military stronger, and we need a President who is committed to enacting legislation that will help business grow, prosper, and hire.

Obama's Pension:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/illinois-state-pension-fund

Read the article: "Awkward! Obama's Pension Invests in Sheldon Adelson, the Super Rich Guy Funding Romney."

Then follow the link that takes you to: "10 Investments Obama May Not Want You to Know About":...in his Illinois Pension;

1) Las Vegas Sands - holdings in pension
2) Domino's Pizza
3) DeVry Inc.
4) China Life Insurance
5) Exxon Mobil
6) Halliburton
7) Altria - (Philip Morris USA - tobacco)
8) Cash America
9) Con Agra (Rheddi Wip)
10) Apple - iPhone 5

Be sure to read the link and the "tabs" associated with each companies listed above for Obama's position on these issues.

Enjoy tonight's debate.

Romney/Ryan 2012.

By all means @Darren Major - do as much reading and research at:

http://www.sec.gov. Read the 10Ks; 10Q's and Annual Reports; Proxy Filings.

Do not @Darren Major, accuse me of lying. Unless of course, you would like to be called out on your own lies. You are a left-wing Stump-for-Obama, nothing more/less.

Romney/Ryan-2012.

@Darren... "Anonymous posters like yourself got a lot of nerve offering any opinion..."

Excuse me, but this is a blog, not a census roster. More than half the people posting here are doing so anonymously. If you are being bothered by that, perhaps you should move on.

Romney 2012.

"Imagine if Hillary Clinton were the Democratic nominee in 2016. The spew of misogyny from the Right would be endless."
Gretchen, that did NOT happen when Geraldine Ferraro ran for VP in 1984, you have no basis to say it would happen in 2016.
The spew of misogyny from the left continues to this day however, regarding Sarah Palin and her 2008 run.
Fans of the Obama-Clinton 2008 primary campaign should exercise caution when throwing the racist & sexist stones.
Another Gretchen Whopper to add to the likes of "Gore won Florida by 5,000 votes"

The Dems threw Hillary Clinton under the bus in 2008, and suggested she take the blame for the Libya (the buck stops here) Al-Qaeda attack in September to keep the president out of the fray. Susan Rice, ambassador to the U.N. was sent out to spread the lie about muslim tapes. Dems use women like disposable wash cloths. They do not treat their women well, to put it mildly.

More "Fluff" from the democrats........

Romney/Ryan 2012.

Romney , Fox and Conservatives FAIL on creating Libya cover-up

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/20/1054141/how-mitt-romneys-latest-attack-on-libya-is-falling-apart/?mobile=nc

LA Times, Wall Street Journal, Reuters, AP, and even on Fox TV, along with other media reporting same story - its coming apart - all the resources are documented in the article

Media matters adds more support and points to articles as well

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/22/wsj-columnist-claims-benghazi-cover-up-same-day/190820

FACTS hurt - So Mittens has got a problem tonight!

deb- see
in the NH primaries Romney went into a coffee shop and thought it was "funny" to make believe that one of the waitresses had goosed him. It was not funny and no one there, waitresses, patrons, press, and his party thought it funny.

No

Media matters ? House organ of the leftists ? Certainly you can do better, Darren.

The only one lying here @ Darren Major is you.

wow! I go off for a day and Darren becomes the designated enemy
what did he do now? Darren.
It's funny how they attack when we cite a progressive or non-partisan website
and they never tell us their resources...

"60 Minutes" video clip regarding China; "Huawei" as a serious threat regarding intellectual property being stolen, the telecom giant. And this occurred during the 4 Obama administration years.

http://www.CBSNews.com/video/watch/?id=7424680n

Obama is like the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dike! Don't know how any right minded individual can support a LIAR who puts himself, and his candidacy, above the lives of four Americans killed on American soil. (Yes the consulate in Benghazi is American soil!) All you rumswabs deserve to be there with him when it comes crashing down!

Romney is a chameleon, whatever color wall he stands in front of will be his color at that time. VOTE OBAMA !!!

Barry the magic LIAR is going down in flames!!! Love it - nice 20 page brochure after the debates. what a wimp. Benghazzi is taking the whole administration down.

@Darren Major - why don't you spend some time and try and de-bunk this notation on the web, and from another blogger on these email threads as he wrote about it. Under his blogger's comments, he suggests the Obama's are moving to a $40 Million Estate that they (Obama's) purchased in Hawaii.

http://weeklyworldnews.com/politics/51125/obama-buys-40-million-estate-in-hawaii/

Your Leader watches four Americans murdered in real time, LIES right to your face and all you can say is what color wall does Romney stand in front of? What would you say if one of them was one of your relatives? Deaf, Dumb and Blind is no way to go thru life! Secretariat is looking for his blinders!

Reading the comments on this thread should be a stunt on Fear Factor. Nobody could actually make it through all of them in one sitting, I know that I would rather swallow the hissing cockroaches.

hissing cockroaches can kill and so can the Republican desire for war at all cost throughout the Middle East.

Einstein,, where have you heard or seen that ANYBODY wants war? The facts are that your Leader lied for two weeks before he came out and said it was an act of terrorism, went to Vegas on a campaign trip the day after and did not even have the courtesy to fly the flag at half mast. For Gods sakes you need to put your Country and fellow Americans before your spot at the Liberal trough! We can't clean up the water til we get rid of the pigs (Obama, Pelosi, Reed and the list goes on!)

Gretchen - yes lets just pave the middle east where our enemies lie

Indiana: I have no clue what you are saying

"Te rightwing narrative keeps screaming about Obama's
mistakes in Libya, but there were no mistakes. "

How sad, that you believe that no mistakes were made in Libya. Are you really that ideological or is your lack of comprehension in regards to the facts? :-(

New Romney bumper stickers are out:
MITT ROMNEY SAYS:
"REINVENT YOURSELF"
"I'M LIKE THE NEW ENGLAND WEATHER, WAIT AN HOUR AND I'LL CHANGE.

there was no "mistakes: of the magnitude the Right makes this out to be. Obama took responsibility for the deaths which was presidential of him. The Rightwing puppet masters (Rove and Co. ) are looking for a smoking gun. But there is none because Obama is steady and cautious.
The right is desperate to find some way to win but no, Romney, in the last debate, was "all over the map" and I'm suffering whiplash at his sudden jolt to the middle.
Romney is no moderate and just pretended to be one when he was Gov. Though he sounded like one during the debate, and seemed to be channeling George McGovern for a bit there.
I've said it before: Romney doesn't know who he is so he will say anything for a cheap shot (get rid of Big Bird/PBS, reinstitute the global gag rule). And so will many who post here.

Barry knew, or ought to have known, about the involvement of al Qaeda and may have seen the attack unfold live. In speeches the next day, he certainly suggested that he understood what had happened, referencing acts of terror in his Rose Garden remarks and then more explicitly calling the raid “terror” in a campaign speech in Las Vegas that night. But next day he changed his story to Youtube video
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"This comes on the heels of the revelation that top officials, and perhaps even the president himself, were able to watch the hours-long battle in real time as U.S. drone aircraft circled the besieged compound filming the slow-motion massacre.'"

Chris Stirewalt writing for Fox News

If Obama is re-elected, can we expect more of this? Certainly al Qaeda is not on the run, they're entrenched in the Middle East.

Stoughton12: If your #'s are correct (I do not doubt they are), I apologize for my inaccuracy. One note, if you look at your #'s, BOTH sides voted relatively together on NAFTA. This means that it was BI-Partisan...working together (somewhat). Unlike today, where both sides have dug their heels in and will NOT work for the common good. I don't know about you, but, I'm really sick and tired of all the hate thrown out there by candidates (both sides), media AND the general public. Nothing good is going to come from all this crap that is spewn out of the mouths of all these morons. We, the voter, are just as guilty as the above. We, for the most part, believe what is thrown our way. Me, I don't trust any of them. None of them really care about the state of the country. Maybe we have grown too large and too diverse for our country to survive as was intented 240 years ago. Could it be we have become a monstrous conglomerent of diverse thought that can no longer function? Would the country be better off as smaller, independent entities, each supporting ideas of the smaller populous? Is it truly possible for 330,000,000 to live in unity? I'm really beginning to think it isn't. I'm glad I'm older and really have far more days behind me than in front of me. What I see for future generations is not one, I think I, would be proud to have to spend too much time in.

Fox is not a news organization. It's a part of the republican liars club. What they don't know, they make up. They are the equivalent of those godawful rags sold in grocery store checkouts.

Republicans need to lose and lose big and maybe they will come down to earth and face the reality of life on earth, that it's not about billionaires like Donald Trump, Sidney Adelson, Koch Brothers, Rove, etc. If Romney was living his faith, if Ryan was truly living his faith they wouldn't have been so seduced with the love of money.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO WILL WIN BARACK OBAMA OR MITT-ROMNEY

if the election is fair, if Republican voter suppression and Republican voter fraud doesn't steal it (Tagg Romney owns a company that makes voting machines and supplies a swing state), then Obama will win.
Otherwise, Queenie, I wonder why you ask.

Ms Robinson: Just from your comments, you seem very unwilling to even look at other's point of view. I'm not an R or a D, but I try to look at both sides before reaching a conclusion. I have Satelitte radio and listen to BOTH Left wing & Right wing programming. Only thing I can accurately determine is they are BOTH full of hate and rant on about how bad the other side is. I'm tired of this type of rhetoric, and I really do not like saying this, but, you also fall into those two categories. You seem unwilling to see any other point of view accept yours. You may have valid points, but, it is getting real tiring listening to you spout off on those who don't see eye to eye with you. I'm fair game, if you feel my ideas are wrong, nail me good.

If the Black panthers are still hung over as well as the community organizing group called ACORN are hung over on election day Romney wins - Oh! forgot about the UN group that will be watching polling places for Barry - they need to be hung over as well

Gretchen you and your left wing pitch this election as the rich vs the rest of us - not true. I work for a small business owned by a wealty person. I am happy that I am working and that I have health care for my family - i pay 20% of it - which I am lucky, I hope the CO. can higher more employees - not going to happen if Barry is re-elected. With my boss taxes increasing and Workmans Comp increasing along with Obamacare - I think we are in trouble - Small businesss in this country is what will turn this around

I am going to break this down a bit so that the hardcore Democrats can understand it better. Obamacare is going to cost this country tens of thousands of jobs. As a small business owner, which I am, if we hire more than 11 people we are mandated to provide health insurance, therefore, we have let enough go to remain under this threshold. There are over 5mm companies in the US with less than 10 employees and another 600k+ with over 10 but less than 20. They will let people go to keep under the threshold. Even if each company releases 1 person we are looking at 5 million new unemployed people in this country or roughly 2% rise in unemployment.

Affordable healthcare for all is a great concept and I look forward to the day that it becomes a reality but at this time it is not affordable to all on a Federal level. It should be handled by each state and the guidelines set forth to fit the states needs, as we do here in MA.

President Obama is not the devil and he has had some great ideas. What he lacks is the experience and knowledge to accomplish these goals. He manipulates the media, lies to the American people, all while his other hand is in the coffers of big companies. Just look at his personal holdings and investments over the past 10 years.

For the record my numbers come from the United States Census Bureau chart on statics about Business Size.

Paul, what do you mean cut the crap? It does go back further but only under Obamacare is it now mandatory to offer health coverage, even if some of the employees opt out. No one implied that the business would have to pay 100%, you are the only one that mentioned that, and the cost to employers is real. It is not a Republican made up figure.

My point is that the Federal government should not be in the healthcare business, other than the VA. It should be left to the states to handle. The cost of oversight is crushing the cost of this healthcare. My comments are not directed specifically at Obama but at the entire Democratic party.

The middle class will once again pay for this burden. Either out of their paycheck or by loss of their job.

For businesses with over 50. It won't be cheap. The penalty starts at $40,000, and increases with the size of the firm's workforce by $2,000 for each additional worker past 50. And it won't be enough to provide just any insurance, either. The plan must cover at least 60% of health care expenses, and insurance has to cost the employee less than 9.5% of his or her family's salary. If coverage is deemed substandard by those measures, the company is hit with an even higher penalty of $3,000 per employee

Small Business Exemption: Obama’s plan exempts small businesses from the requirement to provide health care benefits or contribute to the costs of the national plan.
There have been no guidelines presented yet as to what constitutes a “small business.” However, if the guidelines applied by the Small Business Administration were used, the definition of “small business” is still vague (and has been redefined many times over the past ten years):

“The Small Business Act states that a small business concern is "one that is independently owned and operated and which is not dominant in its field of operation." The law also states that in determining what constitutes a small business, the definition will vary from industry to industry to reflect industry differences accurately. SBA's Small Business Size Regulations implement the Small Business Act's mandate to SBA. SBA has also established a table of size standards, matched to North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) industries.”
Small Business Health Tax Credit: Small business owners would receive a new “Small Business Health Tax Credit” in order to help reduce the costs incurred by small businesses who offer health care benefits. This incentive would be in the form of a refundable tax credit of up to 50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees.

@Wendy Wagner - google a search under the names of many CEO's who have already sent out emails, newsletter mailings to their employees regarding this healthcare issue.

there are thousands and thousands of exemptions and entitlements in obamacare...who is going to pay for these???

Which actors are going to play the leads in "Benghazzi-gate" how Obama watched 4 diplmats including our ambassador to be murdered - then covered it up. bet Michael Morore or Weistein wont touch it

Obamacare: Watch in fullbefore you comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=HcBaSP31Be8&vg=medium

A good question to ask the democrats who voted for this, is how long did it take you to read the Healthcare Bill? Most of them haven't read the bill, so they can't answer the question. And then ask them the same question again, and ask it this way: "And how long did it take you to read the healthcare bill the second time around, and the third time around, and so forth"........and you will see that most democrats haven't read the bill, period.

Absurd to take parts of sentences out of context to support a point of view. Trash.

The first Un-American Liberal Rumswab to check in, exactly what I predicted. That can't be true Rachel Madcow, and Chris "we're playing the racial card" Mathews say it's not! The comatose Nancy Peolosi would be very proud of you! You need to stop hanging out in front of the Liberal rstroom. that's not lemon-lime coolaid you're drinking!

R.Hood that is an eye opener and the video only goes to page 500!! Yet the Obama zombies say yes master...He has to be brought down

Why won'tyou wise up. Obamacare WA passed in the dark of night by someone not elected by the people of Massachusetts.the Kennedyfill in.

Again by people not elected!

This will make the hair on you neck standup. That is if you're an American!
http://campfema.com/obama-youth-army_camp-fema.html

Could one of you Moonbats expalin to me why it's ok for a President of the United States to intentionally LIE? Are you saying that lying is acceptable? Do you approve of lying from members of your familty? Is it ok for your children to lie? Please let me know, I don't want my children to be left out?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html

@Wendy Wagner - you can read what's posted on the Washington Policy Center's site at:

http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/pubications/opinion/washington-residents-see-obamacare-taxes-now-services-later

* Also, see who was Exempt. It's cited on that page.

Why don't they want the same healthcare coverage that they rammed at everyone else?......um.....

The link above is to the article entitled: "Washington Residents to See ObamaCare Taxes Now, Services Later."

The list of the 21 New ObamaCare/ObamaTaxes/NancyPelosiTaxes are listed there.

At a meeting with the “Moms For Mitt” group yesterday outside Philadelphia, PA, Ann Romney was asked her opinion on Lilly Ledbetter and equal pay for equal work regarding women’s employment. Without hesitation she responded with another question that seemed to shock even the most staunch conservatives in the room.

“Why should women be paid equal to men? Men have been in the working world a lot longer and deserve to be paid at a higher rate. Heck, I’m a working mom and I’m not paid a dime. I depend on my husband to provide for me and my family, as should most women… and if a woman does work, she should be happy just to be out there in the working world and quit complaining that she’s not making as much as her male counterparts. I mean really, all this wanting to be equal nonsense is going to be detrimental to the future of women everywhere. Who’s going to want to hire a woman, or for that matter, even marry a woman who thinks she is the same, if not better than a man at any job. It’s almost laughable. C’mon now ladies, are you with me on this?”

Don't take this seriously please! It came from "News that's almost reliable". Point is that even with sites listed in this thread, a lot is bullish*t but people still believe what they read or hear without question. Unfortunately even if one does question it is difficult to get an honest answer! No, I don't believe that "LIE".

The biggest concern that I have seen, based on the Romney campaign, would be that President Obama is an odds on favorite to win re-election ranging anywhere from 62%-71% favorite. Forget the polls that come out as they are biased to the left or right. Bookies know how to make money and set odds, they have done it correctly for 15 of the last 16 elections.

This is bad news for the Romney campaign with only 2 weeks to go. If President Obama blows anything up in the middle east over the next two weeks this race will be a lock, and yes I do think he is capable of this. All he needs to do to secure the presidency is find the group responsible for the consulate attack and take them out. This would all but assure a victory.

On the flip side, if he continues to flounder regarding the lies surrounding this then he is going to continue to loose credibility.

Either way this may boil down to which candidate does or doesn't say or do anything to off the wall over the next 2 weeks.

I thought this thread is a discussion. Avon, surely some people on here border on being a zealot. I sense more just have blinders on, focusing on bits of information and not the whole story. In either case it amazes me how quickly an intelligent conversation, debate if you will, turns to ugly name calling and anger. That reflects a different issue about an individual. Misplaced or projected anger as seen right in this thread is an indication of a personal problem unrelated to the actual topic that festers within an individual. I am not talking about any one individual, just a general statement.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-to-leno-i-struggle-with-math-above-the-7th-grade-level/article/2511708

@ Paul Lasiewski - how long did it take you to read the 2,700 page Healthcare Bill?

Most people do struggle with math above the 7th grade level. How often does the average person do algebra or calculus on a daily basis. People don't even do basic math, leaving those calculations to a calculator. I don't believe there is any math higher than basic in the Healthcare bill.

Barry should be proud - he got Osama then he watched 4 americans get murdered in Libya - while eating popcorn I am sure

commander in chief - yeah right

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1924759413001/father-of-security-agent-killed-in-libya-speaks-out/

I do not think it's the math in the Healthcare Bill that is bothering people, it's the Mandate, aka..."the Tax" that is bothering people. The forcing of the Mandate, the Tax, upon people.......that is the problem. Constitutional vs. Unconstitutional argument before the Supreme Court, Justice Roberts.

If Massachusetts has for instance:

http://www.mahealthconnector.org

It allows people to compare plans. That's not the part that bothers people. It's the forced Mandate/Forced Tax, from the Obama administration that bothers people.

Really, who has a problem with chocolate milk in the schools? Apparently the far left leaning liberal democrats do. So what did they do, they got together with Harvard University to do their BMI-Body Mass Index studies, and then tied it into the Healthcare Bill.

All this from an accidental president who smokes pot and prefers the hard liquors? So much for leading by example. Can't do 7th grade math, and he admits it.

Romney/Ryan 2012.

2008: O'Liar 52% - McCain 47%. Those brain functioning 47% are staying where they are, on the other hand those 52% maybe they'll wake up from their coma. O"Liar: " I'm begging for your vote! Don't vote for me for what I've done (he's done nothing and we're circling the drain) vote for me vote for what I'm going to do (flush us down the drain) !" It's not about us it's about our children, grandchildren and generations to come! Vote Romney/Ryan

Real women @Gretchen Robinson can and do, start their own businesses. And then let the men fetch the coffee.

@ Gretchen: Why don't you get your head out of O'Liars @#$. Come out and say it those four Americans sacrificed in Libya couldn't have come at a worse time. Do you give a @#$% about your fellow Americans that are serving to protect us and make this world a better place for generations to come. O'Liar watches live as TERRORIST fire RPG's at fellow Americans. CIA Annex asked three frigging times if they can go help and O"Liar says NO. O'Liar: "Guys this could hurt me in the election. Let's all close our eyes, I have to be in Vegas tomorrow! Don't worry those little things sticking out of my backside are the meda's legs!" "Forward with the LIES". THIS IS FAR WORSE THAN SOME STAINS ON A BLUE DRESS! Real Americans are tired of this Administration's lies! Any defense of his actions says all I need to know about a person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=HcBaSP31Be8&vg=medium

O'liars target audience. Just flush us now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2EoZq2rXXI&feature=youtu.be

I am not sure about the majority of the group that posts on a regular basis but I for one immediately discredit a post that begins with derogatory statements, name calling, or profanity. Any credibility you may or may not have is lost with the insult.

Fox host, Geraldo Rivera says "We've got to stop politicizing Behghazzi"

http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/10/26/fox-host-geraldo-rivera-on-libya-attacks-we-hav/190956

of, I forgot, you never watch or read anything I send. He's from Fox but he has some decency left such that he calls for not making the killings in Libya into political foot ball. I feel sympathy for the families of the four people who were killed, seeing all this hate. It's cruel to them to keep these lies going, just for political grandstanding.

Don't take it personally, Gretchen. I don't read many links posted hear on Patch. I listen and internalize from many sources. But in the end, I rely on "woman's intuition". Crazy. I know.

if it works for you but you might be missing important points of view...I have a friend who posts a lot on another listserv. He drives other people crazy, but then there's the gem, I wouldn't have wanted to miss. To each her own.

When you speak from your heart Gretchen, I am all ears. But you drive ME crazy when you spout all those left wing talking points and reference all those left wing blogs. To each her own.

No one got killed in Watergate cover-up & the President (Nixon) resigned.

First off, I don't believe much that comes out of the mouths of politicians, they speak to the crowd they stand i front of. Media bias, both sides is sickening. I have satelitte radio and listen to BOTH sides when I drive. The HATE, the LIES coming from the mouths of these "entertainers" is beyond belief. What I see more of, and offers less credibility, is the 4 letter language spewed from the Left (not that the right doesn't), especially one female "host". As of now, I'm leaning towards not voting because I have no real confidence in any candidate to do a job for the benefit of Main Street America. You know,,,,you or I!!! Gridlock will continue, may even get worse depending on the out come. Politicians will thrive while you and I suffer. Nothing will really change. Spending what they don't have will continue as will future Social programs, that we can't sustain, that remain unfunded. Every clown in office MUST be removed and we need to start fresh....Won't happen though.

Government spending under Obama is at a 60 year low. Lower that when Eisenhower was President. Stock market is up, housing starts are up, foreclosures are down, unemployment is down, auto industry is up. Sure we're moving forward slowly, but we're moving forward. I admit that all members of congress up for reelection should be replaced. THAT"S where the problem "lies". Where else can one get paid so well and do so little??

Paul, your statement is incorrect. Goverment spending under Obama is, of course, the highest of any country in the history of the world, with a deficit of $3.6 Trillion. You most likely meant the the "increase" in spending (1.4%) is at a 60 year low, which is suprisingly true. I agree with your Congress comments, except for Scott Brown.

You're probably right, too early on a Sunday! Except for "Do nothing" Scott Brown...

If Barry wants to take ALL the credit for Osama he MUST take ALL the credit for Benghazzi!! And please stop endorsing that dbag Warren